Mash pH and sparge H20 pH

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  1. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    Been focusing on water chemistry with last few batches.

    Last Saturday brewed an IPA nailed the mash pH at 5.33. Sparge water added slightly too much lactic acid and hit about 4.95-5.

    Final wort pH at the end of the day was 5.23.


    I see higher sparge pH may cause extract of tannins and unwanted characteristics. What about going too low? Doesn't seem like anything to worry about to me but wanted to hear from your experience.
     
  2. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I'm not an expert on water, but I'm pretty sure your beer will turn out perfectly fine. I wouldn't worry for one second.
     
  3. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Probably no need to add anything to sparge water...I do, simply because I mix up 5 gal of strike water and then don't use it all...what's left over gets dumped into the sparge water.
     
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  4. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I thought mash and sparge water pH should match?Just followed brew cipher try and accomplish this.

    I think you guys re-assured me nothing to worry about though.
     
  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    My preferred water tool is MpH. This tool does indeed provide details on how to treat both the mash and sparge water to achieve a target wort pH.

    Maybe @utahbeerdude can provide some more input here.

    Cheers!

    P.S. It is my understanding that BrewCipher incorporates the MpH water tool.
     
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  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You don't have to match the pH of the sparge water to the pH of the mash, but it's not a bad idea. The important thing is to not let the pH of the wort get above 5.8 or maybe 6.0 during the sparge. If fly sparging, the risk is toward the end of the sparge. If batch sparging, the pH of the wort will be the consistent throughout each running (individually).

    In your case, I wouldn't expect any problems at all from your final wort landing at 5.23. People often target a 5.2-ish mash pH.
     
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  7. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    I think you will not have an issue, nevertheless I would recommend you to be more careful using lactic acid due any risk of flavor flaw in the finished beer. It is more advisable to use phosphoric acid IMHO.
     
  8. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    It is generally a good idea to use low alkalinity water for sparging. This can be achieved by using (i) distilled, (ii) RO, or (iii) tap water that has been acidified to somewhere in the ball park of the mash pH. Acidifying tap water to a pH slightly lower than mash pH is fine.
     
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  9. runbirddrinkbeer

    runbirddrinkbeer Pooh-Bah (1,722) Oct 24, 2009 Florida
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    I see this mentioned from time to time.....I've used up to 8 ml of lactic acid before with no discernible problems in a 5 gallon batch(or maybe I just can't taste it?) What would I be looking(tasting) for?

    I do use Citric acid in small amounts in some styles(hefes).
     
  10. Tebuken

    Tebuken Initiate (0) Jun 6, 2009 Argentina

    A bit acrid in the finish of the taste.
     
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  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Tartness. But you really have to overdo it for that to happen.
     
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  12. Liberatiscioli

    Liberatiscioli Initiate (0) Oct 3, 2013 Pennsylvania

    I used about 50-50 distilled and well water. Brew cipher called for 8 ml to get the mash right on at 5.33. I wondered about the differences in using phosphoric acid. Seems like you need a heck of a lot more to get same results.

    After taste was a concern wish i would have read a bit more into lactic and phosphoric prior. Final in this batch was 8ml lactic acid in 7.5 gal batch.
     
  13. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    https://www.dudadiesel.com/choose_item.php?id=FGphos
    I use about a tablespoon per 10gal for very light colored beer, 2 tsp for pale to amber and 1 tsp for amber to brown...my alkalinity is up around 280ppm.
     
  14. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Spargewater pH can be an issue if flysparging with an alkaline water source. As the sparge water replaces the mash water and any natural buffer systems with mash, the pH the rises. As the pH rises, you risk tannin extraction. Less of a risk with batch sparging because there is no continuous replacement of low pH madhwster with high pH sparge
     
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  15. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Indeed, this is the key. For anyone interested, a detailed discussion of the acidification of sparge water can be found here. Cheers!
     
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  16. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I acidify my sparge water as per your MpH tool.

    I fly sparge.

    Cheers!
     
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