St. Bernardus Abt 12 true value?

1) agree that OP and others should be dissuaded from thinking about how much beers are "worth" on the "trade market."

2) agree that OP probably just wants to drink some out-of-his-distribution beer and happened to word the post contentiously.

3) st bernardus 12 is awesome.

4) if you want to start trading, just get your feet wet slowly and start casually. if you need to start Trading Whales sooner rather than later, the thing to do is aggressively learn via reading online, contacting people via PM, talking at beer events, etc etc. if you don't fully know what you're doing, just wait on commitments until you do. /unsolicited advice.

 

Wait, this thread wasn't an obvious troll?

 

Not necessarily aimed at OP, but to all noobs: If you really are not interested in profiting from a certain beer you see on the shelf, and if you really are interested in trading, here is how to properly use this forum. Post this.

"I really want to try ____________, but it isn't distributed to my area. I live in ___________________. Can anyone tell me what beer(s) I have access to I might be able to trade for _______________ . Thanks."

 

Well said. And, give the OP a break, we all started somewhere. Probably wants to drink some good beer like we all do and is trying to figure out how to do just that. Cheers to all!

 

You know that extra three minutes after a GI Joe cartoon...knowing is half the battle...yea, this.

 

And that's your big mistake. So rather than using all the resources here (and elsewhere) that are available at a click of your mouse, you immediately post a thread about trade value, thinking the beer is "rare" and you can profit in some way from it. All of this was done even before you had tried it too. Can't you see the problem with that?

 

He didnt say anything about profiting from it, he just asked if it carried any trade value. Why is that such a crime here?

 

Trading=profiting. You are using something you have to obtain something you want. Definition: "To derive advantage; benefit".

 

So then by that definition ALL trading is profiting and you are against trading as a whole.

 

All trading is profiting, to both parties involved hopefully. I'm not against trading, but one should at least know about the product they are trading and perhaps use resources available to them to be educated enough to even start down that road. That's my point.

 

I understand what you are saying but (I am assuming) that is why he posted his question in the general/help (a resource available to him) forum and didn't put out an ISO for whales first. You have to learn somehow. We have been around here much longer than he has so what seems like common sense to us may not seem so obvious to a newer member.

 

I LOVE this post!

 

Perhaps. If it were me though (and from responses others feel the same way), I would know the site enough to click on the beer, then see the "gots, wants" and determine that it is not all the rare and not all that sought after rather than posting immediately (before he even tried it yet) what the value is. That's what has me hung up. You are seeking a trade value on a beer you don't know about or have even tried yet. Not the best decision.

 

Can't argue that, but have you considered a percentage of the population isn't as intelligent as you?

 

I agree here 100%.

 

It's not snobbery, as much as you would want to think it is. To me, this is cut and dry, argue if you wish. You know nothing about the beer and you have never even tried it, yet you want to know "value". That's the problem.

Resources. Click on the beer page itself. Do some reading. Read the reviews, see how many people have reviewed it, look how many "want's" and "gots" there are. Do a search on the forums, it is amazing the results. Example. When I do a search on "St. Bernardus ABT 12", the 15th topic down right in the subject line says "Top 5 Year Round Easy to find beers". Gives you your answer right there, correct?

See, it's real easy

 

It might be cut & dried to you, but not to others. There are posts like this almost every day, & for some reason people decided to jump on this guy because he didn't ask the ratio of Black Tuesday to Mimosa. If you're offended, pipe in to every new thread rather than piling on. There's a penalty for that in football.

OP, don't sweat it. Ask your questions & ignore the snobbery.

And it is snobbery...to me, argue if you wish.

 

you're not running up against snobbery, you're running up against forum dynamics. learn the difference and it will save you a lot of headaches.

edit: related advice, if you ever have thoughts like, "people argue unreasonably on the internet, sure, but damnit *i'm* not going to stand by and let someone INSULT me! i don't care how much [etc etc etc]" you're on the fast track to failing at the internet. people are going to come in after the argument is over and take pot shots; that's how this shit works. if you respond by showing a ton of weakness and flipping out, it will only end badly for you. just let it go and use the forum for whatever purpose suits you.