Using ah-so to remove cork from beer=glass splinters everywhere

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by VitisVinifera, Jun 9, 2017.

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  1. VitisVinifera

    VitisVinifera Pundit (879) Feb 25, 2013 California

    So I got a bottle which had wax over a crown cap and then a cork under it. Yep it was a bit of overkill. So for the cork part I used an ah-so (the two pronged device I use for removing corks from wine bottles frequently) and remove the cork with this resulted in tiny glass shards everywhere. I literally spilled blood to get to this beer.

    The question is - has anyone else used an ah-so to remove a cork from a beer bottle?
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  2. anfield86

    anfield86 Pooh-Bah (2,606) Nov 21, 2006 New Jersey
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    I haven't used one for beer. I've only used one of those to extract a cork that was lodged in a bottle of wine.

    Why did you feel the need to include a pic of your bloody finger? The explanation was more than sufficient...
     
  3. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Beer should be no different to open, so check out Youtube videos. Googled and noted a couple. Would rather have seen you post a picture of the ah-so since I had never heard of it or seen one, though I have seen plenty of bloody fingers.
     
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  4. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    No, never used an ah-so with either wine or beer. Can't say as I've ever had a bottle of either beverage I didn't manage to open reasonably well with a classic corkscrew wine opener.
     
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  5. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    A little research reveals that the purpose of an ah-so is to open vintage wine without crumbling the potentially dried out cork, so that it does not end up in the wine. If done right, it will also preserve the cork for those who collect. I expect some waiters are quick and efficient with this - and remind me never to attack a waiter since this would make a decent shiv. I agree, corkscrew for me - I don't drink beer so old that the cork would crumble since that probably takes 30 years or more. I'm not that patient.
     
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  6. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    :slight_smile:

    Not only am I not that patient my budget won't support buying a vintage wine someone else has aged that long. I have appreciated a few such wines in the past but have been saved from buying/owning really expensive wines by having developed a fairly expensive taste for Single Malt Scotches and for high quality beers.

    But I guess my more general point really was that I wouldn't use such a specialty tool on a non-aged cork in the first place. Specialty tools are designed to be fit for certain specific purposes and special purpose designs often don't work well for other more general purposes.
     
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  7. jageraholic

    jageraholic Pooh-Bah (1,632) Sep 16, 2009 Massachusetts
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    Sounds dirty. I just use my hands.
     
  8. LeRose

    LeRose Grand Pooh-Bah (4,423) Nov 24, 2011 Massachusetts
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    When we used to drink wine, we used this device on new corks, old corks, artificial corks, etc. They called them "waiter's friends" around here. I was told part of the idea was it preserved the cork so you could put it back in, which of course is complete nonsense. But somebody gave us one, and we used it. It worked well enough...for a while.

    We stopped when we chipped a bottle on the inside of the finish more or less as you show (sans the blood). And now we don't drink wine at all, so there you have it.

    I do, however, question the overkill you describe. Cork plus crown cap plus wax? Beer for the impending zombie apocalypse... The finish and geometry of the glass is different for the two. Seems to be a bit (a lot?) much, and possibly an unwise move to begin with unless the bottle is specifically designed for the application. I don't know the brewer, so maybe they did have a bottle designed to accommodate a cork and a crown.

    Regardless, even with bottles designed for a cork, I had the same thing happen.
     
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  9. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    The cork was under the cap, ala Lindemans.
     
  10. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Was the beer worth the effort?
     
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  11. VitisVinifera

    VitisVinifera Pundit (879) Feb 25, 2013 California

    Here's a better pic of the top of the bottle and the ah-so. The ah-so isn't a specialty device only for vintage wine - they are normal tools for any kind of corked wine bottle. I have a number of these around the house which I've picked up along the years of working in the wine industry. I also have a number of corkscrews too and I normally just grab whichever I see first. Anyways I've contacted the brewery and they reached back. I'm trying to impress upon them that they need to see if they can duplicate this issue because if so that's a quality issue.

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  12. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    The same with my 375 bottles of Cantillon.
     
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  13. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Even though they were reportedly originally intended for removing brittle vintage corks, they have apparently seen a wider application. I suppose waiters that use them just fall into the habit of using them for all wine. Kind of like when you have a hammer, everything is a nail. But for non-brittle corks, you should be able to use a standard corkscrew without mutilating the cork, yourself, or the bottle. Then again, if the bottle came pre-cracked, a corkscrew might have done the same thing if you levered it out vs just pulling.

    I suppose that in deciding which tool to use you have to make a guess whether the cork may be brittle, though for beer if the cork is brittle I'd question whether the beer is still drinkable. The only way to know would be to try a corkscrew, and if the cork crumbles then you say "damn, should have used that ah-so shiv thingy".
     
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  14. Wiffler27

    Wiffler27 Pooh-Bah (2,092) Aug 16, 2009 South Carolina
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    big beer bottles with a thick wax head covering a cork(or bottlecap) is a pain in my ass. the wax top alone is a pain in the dick
     
  15. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Yup - some of that plasticized wax is downright dangerously tough, as it forces you to use a knife when you may already have been drinking.
     
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  16. Urk1127

    Urk1127 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,790) Jul 2, 2014 New Jersey
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    I wouldn't have drank it because I'd fear glass in the bee . That really sucks. I'd just use a corkscrew.
     
  17. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Or, in deciding while serving wine in a high end setting. You just make life simpler by not having to choose between which to use and just use the ah-so. Then you have only one tool to use without having to spend time looking and deciding which to use with the bottle you are opening to serve. Plus those guests, who may only know about the cork screw, experience the "ah-so" moment and are impressed with your skill at a task that seems to them it happened, "as if by magic." Guess who also adds in a bigger tip, the guest who is impressed with your service or the guest who regards it as routine.
     
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  18. papposilenus

    papposilenus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,232) Jun 21, 2014 New Hampshire
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    I've chipped a bottle top using a regular corkscrew or, at least, you know, the kind you screw in and then press down the two side handles to pry the cork out.

    I used to have an ah-so - although I didn't know that's what it was called. After the second time I impaled my palm with it I smashed it into a doorframe so hard I couldn't get it out until we remodeled the kitchen a couple years later.
     
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