Nectarine Blossom Yeast Isolation

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  1. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Put a few Nectarine blossoms into 50ml starter vial a few weeks ago. Added slurry to another 50ml vial for step 2. Then plated from the vial. Ended up with some bacteria, yeast, and mold. Took 3 individual colonies each to 3 new plates. No mold on any of the 3 new plates. Took a single colony from each plate and put into 3 new 50ml starters. Swiped a double colony from one plate to look at on a slide. Looks like uniform cells at 250x.

    Plan is to build up from here, run fermentation tests for attenuation and flavor profile. Then choose the best for a full batch.

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    Individual plating of single isolate from plate one.
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    Initial plating at day 8
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    New vials of individual isolates
     
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  2. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Cool, question, how do you know the bacteria is not harmful to humans? I am guessing there is a way to tell.
     
  3. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    No way for me to tell at home. My buddy has a lab at the brewery and I am going to streak the bacteria to see what grows and take it to him for better identification. Hoping it is a wild Lacto.

    The bacteria formed mostly in quadrents 1 & 2, while the yeast formed mostly in 2 & 3. I took 1 isolate from 2 and 2 from 3. I stayed away from the bacteria as best I could. I don't see any bacteria colonies on the 3 new plates. Any pathogen harmful to humans shouldn't make it through alcoholic fermentation. Need to get a little closer look in the scope but it doesn't look like I see any bacteria cells in with the yeast cells, but 250x won't get close enough for a definitive result.
     
  4. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Morphology/microscopic examination is one way to get a broad idea of what you have, but unless you spend a great deal of time looking into a microscope DNA sequencing is the only way to properly do that.

    The good thing is that most microbes that are involved with fermentation are facultative anaerobes, which tend to be very safe. Couple that with fermentation happening in an environment without oxygen and it's even safer.
     
  5. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    This bit's not 100% accurate, but it IS pretty close.
     
  6. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    That's why I said "shouldn't". Always need to be careful when building up wild caught.

    Working on DNA sequencing for a future step...
     
  7. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    As long as you have signs of active fermentation, it smells good, and you've got no visible mold, it should be OK.

    Never had a problem with wild captures in the past, but there's always a chance. There are some VERY good links to the problematic microbes. I can post them, if you like, but I sense that you already know.
     
  8. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Feel free, others may like the info if they decide to venture into isolating.

    I shake my vials to let out CO2 as they grow. The original step smelled like vanilla. We will see what comes of it in these future steps.
     
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  9. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Thanks to all for the replys. I always wondered how one could tell good from bad bacteria.
     
  10. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    @EvenMoreJesus , welcome to the forums. You're posts and knowledge sharing are great! Cheers
     
  11. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    Carolina Baeurnhaus's house strain was a wild isolate from Nectarines from upstate SC. They love the yeast and it ferments like a beast! I can taste a little nectarine in many of their beers as well.
     
  12. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    It is really interesting how that happens. My first venture into this type of yeast wrangling was blackberry and peach yeast skin starters that were added to my first real sour beer. After 2.5 years it was judged in a BJCP comp and peach and berry were descriptors. I rebuilt the dregs and fermented a Belgian Blonde ale that had a lot of peachiness to it as well.
     
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  13. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    I've isolated yeast from local wild blackberries that I use for making meads...always throws a little blackberry nuance in the final product! Carolina Baeurnhaus/SouthYeast also uses a strain from local blueberries that adds just a hint of blueberry that's perfect for a saison! I think they have most of their yeasts available to homebrewers right now if anyone wants to give them a try.
     
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  14. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
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    Care to do a yeast trade? :wink: I took your advice last year and harvested from peach skins, and the beer turned out fantastic. It was a blonde ale base. Keep us posted on what you end up brewing, this looks like a fun project
     
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  15. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    For sure. I'm getting ready to step the 3 isolates up to 350ml, hopefully tonight, and take a gravity sample before and after to see what kind of attenuation I get. Going slow on these since I have 3 isolates and 2 stir plates. I'll then bump them up to 2L batches for flavor/aroma/mouthfeel/etc.
     
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    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Last night I did a double pressure cooker run on 400ml of 1.020 wort for the next step. Pitched the three vials this morning into their own starters. Will watch the fermentation for a week or so then give it a taste when I step it up to roughly 1500-1800ml fermentation in a lightly hopped wort. That step will get attenuation tested as well as carbonated and tasted for flavor and aroma. The spent starter wort from the vials didn't give off a distinct aroma, mildly funky, nothing off putting.

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  17. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    How much hops? IBUs?

    What are you wanting to inhibit, if anything?
     
  18. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Probably around 15 IBUs and 1.040 OG. Not really trying to inhibit anything. Want to see how the yeast isolates do with a beer as opposed to simply starter wort.
     
  19. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    The starters have progressed nicely! Good active fermentation, nice krausen, and clear flocculation. Will step up to 1500ml hopped wort for flavor/aroma/attenuation tonight.

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