I've been enjoying the Summit BW box. Of course, not all of the Summit selections are "stars", but it did lead me to explore a couple of styles I have not typically purchased (Kölsch and Witbier) and to take a slightly broader look at the other two (German Pilsener and Hefeweizen). In particular, I sought out and included selections from the style's native country plus at least one other local Minnesota selection. This is not a review, but a mash-up ranking considering 3 aspects: How well the beer represents the style (caveat: I am not a style expert by any means) How enjoyable the beer is to drink, even if it is off-style How well the beer fits as a crisp, refreshing summer beer (which is the intent of the Summit BW box set, after all). I individually reviewed each of the beers, and then did a side by side comparison to rank them according to my 3 aspects. Beers were ranked for each aspect 1-3 (for the wit) and 1-4 for the others, and then the rankings added (no weighting) to come up with a final ranking. Here are the results: German Pilsener This was the closest of the bunch, with not a huge distance between #1 and #4, IMO. Summit Keller Pils Weihenstephaner Pilsner König Pilsener Schell's Frost Hop #3: Pilsner Kölsch The German beers (especially the Reissdorf) took a hit in the "how enjoyable" ranking (fairly or unfairly) but dominated the "true to style" rankings by default. (By that I mean I used them as the benchmark of the style and compared the 2 MN beers against them for the style ranking.) The "how enjoyable" part is because I did not particularly enjoy the "sour bread" taste of the German Kölschs (which was more dominant in the Reissdorf than in the Sünner). Sünner Kölsch Schell's Frost Hop #4: Kölsch - Style Summit Summer Ale Reissdorf Kölsch Witbier Not being familiar with this style, I pretty much considered the Hoegaarden to be the definition of the style (yeah, a macro beer, but it was the only Belgian wit I could find easily, and I wasn't willing to drive all over looking for others... and, besides, I found it a very enjoyable beer!). Hoegaarden Original White Ale Summit Wit Bier Blacklist Classic Wit Hefeweizen The Schell's and the Weihenstephaner Hefeweizens were a joy. The Fair State was not. The Summit was not particularly true to style, but I found it to be an enjoyable summer beer nonetheless. That pretty much sums up the rankings. Schell's Hefeweizen Weihenstephaner Hefe Weissbier Summit Hefe-Weizen Fair State Hefeweizen
Thanks for putting this together. For future endeavors you could certainly include standard 'ol Summit Pilsner as a Bohemian Pilsner. Don't feel bad for liking the macro Hoegaarden, it is one of the classic examples and standard bearer of the style.
Cool project! Glad to see you're enjoying the beers and taking the time to educate yourself. #BeerSchoolisFun
Interesting read...good call on Hoegaarden. Might be macro but THE definition of the style. I'd have been tempted to toss a Blue Moon into that one to see how it matched up. Surprised Fair State Hefe did so poorly but I have not had any of this years batch. Ayinger fresh is another stellar Hefe.
Thanks. I actually thought about that when I was having difficulty with finding MN-brewed wits and/or a second Belgian wit. I finally decided, though, to go with only 3 in the wit category. From my notes during the side-by-side: "Weak aroma, weak taste, no head to speak of, a bit sour. The only one of these I wouldn't buy again." I have a more complete review, but I haven't posted it yet.
[QUOTE=" From my notes during the side-by-side: "Weak aroma, weak taste, no head to speak of, a bit sour. The only one of these I wouldn't buy again." I have a more complete review, but I haven't posted it yet.[/QUOTE] That's too bad. It was solid last year.
^^ Only one and done for the boundary pack for me. The Hefe and Wit were a huge disappointment. Went straight to the 12 packs of the Keller Pils and to the Schell's Hefe 12 packs!
Tough to beat that combo for the summer. Both stellar. I only bought one boundary pack as well due to the same reason you noted.
Yeah, these are not new sentiments, and it was these views that incentivized me to do the comparison, especially since I was not familiar with wits at all and with little experience (at least recent experience) with the native versions of ANY of these beer styles. So, I tried to get the best native examples I could find here (principally relying on F44 and Blue Max) and some MN examples (I bought a Schell's Frost Hop box for another Kölsch, and since I then already had it, used it also for another Pilsener) to both educate myself a bit and compare the MN beers to a standard for the style. Focusing on the hefe and the wit, here are my notes when looking at / smelling / tasting the beers in glasses side-by-side (as opposed to stand-alone reviews): Hefeweizen: Schell's - Strongest banana flavor and aroma. Nice look with tall white head. Not bitter at all. Smooth, malty and yeasty. Weihenstephaner - Lots of white head, good aroma and flavor, banana & clove. Slightly bitter finish. Smoothest taste. Summit - Strongest aroma. Best head retention; most attractive look of the 4. Taste is a bit off-style without a lot of banana, but lots of other fruit flavors. Enjoyable summer beer, but not particularly true to style. Fair State - Weak aroma, weak taste, no head to speak of, a bit sour. The only one of these I wouldn't buy again. Witbier: Hoegaarden - Best aroma, banana & spices, pale gold color. Hardly any bittering, strong banana and spice. Blacklist Artisan Ales - Strongest aroma, a lot of banana. Darker golden color. A bit astringent, bitter mixed with the banana/spice flavor Summit - Aroma almost identical to Hoeg. Again appearance almost identical to Hoeg, taste more bitter than Hoeg, but with the banana and spice also strongly there. After that, it is hard for me to call either of these Summit beers "absolute duds", although with the hefe I guess it would depend on if you are looking for a prime example of the style or an enjoyable hot weather beer.
I thought the hefe was off-style....The whit was too sharp and biting to me. Wife didn't mind it. She got most of them.
I agree with your assessment of both. But I enjoy both on their own merits. As with your hefe taste test thread, I would never suggest the Summit for that. It just would not measure up against the Schell's (for example) as a hefe. The Summit wit is true to style (IMO), just more bittering (which I actually liked for a summer beer). And, note that my tasting showed the Blacklist to be even MORE bitter, bordering on astringent.
FWIW, my 3rd can of the 4 pack does seem to have the same level of bitterness / near astringency as the first 2. Probably wouldn't change my rankings, but it would not be as much of a clear #3.
I would highly recommend the Lake Superior Kayak Kölsch, it's always been one of my favorite summer beers. Granted, I'm not super familiar with the style. Also! You can occasionally find Bent Paddle's Pickin' Wit in 750 ml bottles. I'm not a huge fan of it, but it's another local witbier and its release really flew under the radar.