Whut is my hop?

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by imtroy703, Jul 22, 2017.

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Select the hop u think it is

Poll closed Jul 29, 2017.
  1. Warrior

    7.7%
  2. Sazz

    15.4%
  3. Willamette

    76.9%
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  1. imtroy703

    imtroy703 Zealot (717) Nov 13, 2009 Virginia
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    3rd year and I cannot remember the order of my transplanted rhizomes.

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    Thanx a bunch

    Picking hops august 1
    Brewing dried hops august 15
     
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  2. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    My thinking: Never seen a Warrior rhizome (might be proprietary- too lazy to check), my Sterling (not a Saaz, but close) looks not as lobed and my Willamette looks very similar .

    btw, my Willamette and Sterling don't look as good as yours :slight_smile:
     
  3. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I am in Manitowoc County, and..... There's no way your hops will be ready for harvest by August 1. Try Sept 1 unless you like the taste of grass.
     
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  4. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    Once you've determined that the variety is indeterminate, the answer to your next question is saison.
     
  5. Lukass

    Lukass Pooh-Bah (2,891) Dec 16, 2012 Ohio
    Pooh-Bah

    Your best bet is to add them (whatever they may be) at flameout. You may be able to gauge what they are based off flavor/aroma? You also wouldn't risk bittering with what could be a high alpha hop.

    I have cascade, centennial and Columbus but they all get intertwined in my back yard. I just pick them all and add them as a 'blend' for late additions.
     
  6. Granitebeard

    Granitebeard Zealot (549) Aug 24, 2016 Maine

    Looks a lot like the Willamette what a co-worker brought in for me last year.
     
  7. youradhere

    youradhere Initiate (0) Feb 29, 2008 Washington

    Looks like Willamette to me too, I grew both saaz and W. and IIRC, saaz was longer cones while W. had little nug-like cones. Good flavor on that Willammette. One way to find out is pluck a few cones off the bine 3-4) and make a hop tea, add some honey to pop the flavors, and see what flavor characteristics it leans toward.
     
  8. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    It's one of the w hops. Not sure which it would be. But I am sure that you ain't going to get much you'd find useful out of them by picking them so early. Give them at least another month, and let them develop to the end of the growing life more. The leaf should be much drier than what these look like and showing some age on its edges before you even think of picking them.
     
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  9. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    You want them to lose %20-25 of their moisture before harvesting. Those cones haven't lost any.
     
  10. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    I came across these guys last year and bought a couple pounds of assorted hops from them.They start harvesting in August for wet hops according to one of their recent posts: https://www.facebook.com/AgDynamicsLLC/

    They're further west, probably further north than the OP. I think he just needs to monitor the situation and pick when they're ready, not when his calendar says. Aug 1, maybe too soon. Aug 8? Aug 15? Maybe not. It's been a pretty cool, wet summer in the north and I suppose it would be a slow year, for low yield, up here. I'm not growing hops these days. I know I can spend 50 bucks, get more better hops than I can grow, at less investment when considering time and effort plus incidentals.
     
  11. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    @pweis909 True, and harvest depends on the specific variety as well. My homegrown Hallertau finish in early September while Cascade always finish at least 2 weeks later in late September. Could any others be ready by late August? Maybe. However, when in doubt, leave them on the bine longer than you think. They don't get any worse, only better. The longer you wait, the better. But what do I know, I've only grown hops for about 11 years.
     
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  12. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Probably a fair amount of variation within varieties, too, especially if obtained from different sources. When do some varieties become oniony? I thought that happened if you wait too long.
     
  13. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I associate onion with skunk. I believe both contain mercaptans or some such thing? As such, you're probably right about this actually. In the same way that light skunks a beer, it could have an effect on the lupulin if the sun is shining on the hops for too long? That would be my theory anyway (I haven't Googled it but feel free). So maybe there really is a limit to how long before we should harvest. How long is too long? I don't know. Maybe a week, maybe a whole month? Anyway, I believe it is typical for any onion character to fade away after the first couple weeks in the bottle or keg too in most cases? I can't say I've experienced this but have heard it from others. Many say "don't fear the onion" as it will be gone soon enough. So this may all be moot.
     
  14. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
    Pooh-Bah

    Google got me to a homebrew talk thread where people talk about oniony developing in summit the longer it stays on the vine. No personal experience
     
  15. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    No, you need fermentation, as the yeast produce riboflavin that is a catalyst for the skulking reaction.

    The onion/garlic aroma is a sulfur compound.
     
  16. imtroy703

    imtroy703 Zealot (717) Nov 13, 2009 Virginia
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    Hey thanks for all the comments and votes. I won't be harvesting until I see some more dryness. Great discussions e'one!
     
  17. Wiffler27

    Wiffler27 Pooh-Bah (2,092) Aug 16, 2009 South Carolina
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    I think it's warrior based on how light green it is and how many "flaps" on the bud there is. warrior has less "flaps" than willamette.
     
  18. imtroy703

    imtroy703 Zealot (717) Nov 13, 2009 Virginia
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    Harvested them today.
     
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  19. imtroy703

    imtroy703 Zealot (717) Nov 13, 2009 Virginia
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    Brewed, primary'd and secondary'd. going to cool it on Saturday for 3 weeks due to a work situation (I am going to richmond VA for a job). Wonder if I should keg it, carb it and cool it on Saturday tho. Just afraid that it isn't done fermenting. I will test the gravity later today again.
     
  20. imtroy703

    imtroy703 Zealot (717) Nov 13, 2009 Virginia
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    I used a grain bag with the whole hops at the end of the boil to keep as much junk out as I could.
     
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