Balanced, hybrid-ish NE IPA?

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  1. adamholl

    adamholl Devotee (357) Sep 5, 2009 New York

    Hi all - I'm hoping a couple folks can tell me if this seems to make sense. (I'm not sure why it wouldn't, but always interested in feedback along the way.)

    Like so many of us, I've been enjoying NE IPAs lately. What's not to love? But even more than that, the couple commercial examples I've had that seem more balanced - with some backbone of bitterness (not palate wrecking, but a good amount integrated into the flavor profile), but then still the heady fruity hop aromatics, and a nice mellow, slightly chewy mouthfeel.

    Here's what I'm thinking - and I should note that this is a small batch (2.25g), hence the hop amounts.

    OG 1.054

    Grain bill: 70% Golden Promise, 15% Golden Naked Oats, 15% Flaked Oats.
    Hops: FWH with ~35 IBUS of Magnum, then 20 min whirlpool with 1/2 oz of Simcoe and 1 oz of Galaxy.
    Yeast: Omega Hothead (should get FG to about 1.010)
    Dry Hops: biotransformation dry hop with 1 oz Galaxy and 1/2 oz Simcoe; second dry hop with Simcoe lupulin powder

    Thoughts? Thanks as always!
     
  2. utahbeerdude

    utahbeerdude Maven (1,374) May 2, 2006 Utah

    Seems a little light not the finishing hops, although I don't know how to judge the hop powder.
     
  3. adamholl

    adamholl Devotee (357) Sep 5, 2009 New York

    From what I understand the Lupulin powder should be a 1:2 ratio to what you'd do with pellets. Realized I did not put the amount in - I am thinking 1/2 oz of the powder (so equivalent to 1 oz of pellets, which would be a total of 2 1/2 oz dry hops in just under 2 1/2 gallons).
     
  4. ECCS

    ECCS Pundit (755) Oct 28, 2015 Illinois

    Is this your first NEIPA homebrew?

    One of the most critical parts of the process (IMO) is the temp of your whirlpool. From my experience, whirlpooling above 170F will cause some bitterness from the hops.

    My process looks like this...
    Cool to 170F. Whirlpool hops (in hop spider) for 20 minutes. Within that 20 minutes, the wort usually cools ~160. Add another charge of whirlpool hops (leaving previous hop debris in the spider) and whirlpool for another 20 minutes. I leave all of the hop debris in the wort while I cool to 70F, which is usually another 20 minutes. So I have about 60 minutes of contact time.
     
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  5. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    Hot Head drops clean...you may want to choose another yeast option if you want the haze. Omega Tropical IPA throws nice fruity notes and rarely drops clean, even if you're trying to get it to, and might be a better yeast choice. Besides that, I guess for 2.25 gallons, the hop amounts look good (I just used some Simcoe cryo hops/lupulin powder for a dry hopping and was disappointed with the aroma it gave the beer). I am not a big fan of Golden Naked Oats as it gives beer a much too sweet profile IMO, so I would personally drop that and replace it with another grain, or just go with GP and Flaked Oats...I'm a fan of some wheat in my NE IPAs, so I'd change the Naked Oats for White Wheat if it were my recipe.
     
  6. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I've stopped using any hops in my IPAs until < 180F. Works like a charm, IMO.

    Bit complicated, that, but the general methodology is solid. Add hops while cooling and do a hopstand.
     
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  7. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Personally, I'd drop the FWH and triple your whirlpool addition.
     
  8. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    FWH is not an either/or proposition...if you want a "balanced, hybridish" NEPA, try bagging your small FWH bittering charge and pull it after you come to a boil...works great, imho...and yes, use a fairly huge whirlpool addition.
     
  9. adamholl

    adamholl Devotee (357) Sep 5, 2009 New York

    Yes, my first NE IPA. I usually whirlpool at 180 (and it drops 10-15 degrees over the course of 20 mins or so), but could try a bit lower. Although I don't mind a bit of bitterness here - want some big aroma, but also a bitterness backbone (not just a huge juice bomb).
     
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  10. adamholl

    adamholl Devotee (357) Sep 5, 2009 New York

    To be honest, mostly using HotHead just b/c I don't have temp control for my fermentation at the moment and it is hotter than I would prefer where my carboy will be. Nothing crazy, but above the range of what I'd want for London III, which would have been my first choice.

    For the lupulin powder - any thoughts on why you didn't end up with what you were going for? Process issue, or just the ingredient?
     
  11. adamholl

    adamholl Devotee (357) Sep 5, 2009 New York

    Even if going for a kind of backbone of bitterness, as opposed to only a huge aroma hit?
     
  12. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    You'll still get bitterness even if your IBUs are lessened.
     
  13. DrMindbender

    DrMindbender Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2014 South Carolina

    Dont be disappointed when your beer isnt hazy/a NE IPA then. The yeast not flocc'ing is important for the NE IPA characteristics.

    As for the cryo hops...from this experience, I'd say that they just dont provide the same aroma as pellet hops. Used them the same as I have used hops for the past 2 decades, so I dont think its a process issue, just the nature of the ingredient IMO.
     
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  14. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    HUGELY important.
     
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  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    In all likelihood it is the other way around. For example Wyeast 1318 has high flocculation; below is from the Wyeast website for 1318:

    “High Flocculation”

    Dave Green (@telejunkie) discussed this topic in his article The Rise of the Haze, BYO October 2016:

    “What some brewers point to is that these yeast strains flocculate almost too quickly. This doesn’t allow time for the hop oils and polyphenols to adhere to the yeast, leaving those compounds and other hop derived compounds in solution instead of stripping them out.”

    Cheers!
     
  16. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Adding "in worts with "normal" polyphenol content" would be far more accurate.

    Does he cite research on this or is this simply conjecture?
     
  17. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    I would encourage you to read the article. It is well written and well researched.
     
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  18. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Please provide some data to support this statement.
     
  19. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I'll check it out. Thanks!
     
  20. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Do you have a non-pay link?
     
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