What is the future of cascade hops?

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  1. SCW

    SCW Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2004 New York

    Exactly. What's more revealing is probably the single largest SKU that uses Cascade hops in US craft beer is Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. But those numbers are down significantly.

    All of the losses are made up by overseas brewers and large conglomerates buying huge quantities, as per our hop growers.

    cheers
     
  2. erway

    erway Crusader (478) Jul 28, 2006 New Mexico

    It still makes up 12% of all of our hop contracts.
     
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  3. breadwinner

    breadwinner Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 California

    For me, a lot of these hazy IPAs have very similar characteristics, even when they use different hops. I'm not saying they're exactly the same, just some similar notes that emerge. Those similar notes, that seem to pop up regardless of hop choice, are what I perceive as esters/the influence of the yeast.

    We know yeast can have a great impact on aroma/taste (hello, hefeweizens!) To me, the yeast choices in these beers (and/or their interactions with the hops) seem to contribute markedly to their overall smell/taste.
     
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  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yup, I have read that sales of SNPA were down in 2016 and I suspect in 2017 as well.

    I personally do not think it is a coincidence that Sierra Nevada introduced two new hoppy beers in 2016 as new year-round beers: Sidecar and Tropical Torpedo. I strongly suspect these beers were introduced to the Sierra Nevada portfolio to help compensate for the sales loss of SNPA. I more recently read that Sidecar is getting 'amped up' from being a Pale Ale to an IPA:

    Bill Manley posted in BA thread: "It's not a rebrand, but a full-on re-brew / retweak of the recipe. We're moving from a pale ale base, up to an IPA base (6.9%)..."

    It seems that IPA is King these days?:thinking_face:

    Cheers!
     
  5. SCW

    SCW Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2004 New York

    Jack - the data certainly indicates so.

    cheers
     
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Ergo: Toppen-ish IPA.

    As the lyrics from a 10,000 Maniacs song goes: “Give them what they want!”

    Cheers!
     
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  7. SCW

    SCW Initiate (0) Jul 25, 2004 New York

    indeed Jack

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  8. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    All of the Swedish macros have found ways to incorporate Cascade hops in new (and even some old) brands of beer, and on the larger European level, Carlsberg Group in particular seems apt at taking a brand concept which has been proven in one of their European markets and replicating it in several of their other markets, either with the same brand or using different domestic brands, particularly when it comes to macro-craft type beers. I could see Cascade being a sought after hop for such uses (and in my experience it has resulted in some pretty tasty macro beers).
     
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  9. riegler

    riegler Crusader (427) Apr 30, 2015 Iowa

    I know there's 4 oz of Cascade in the pale ale fermenting in my basement right now :grin:
     
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  10. nater919

    nater919 Initiate (0) Aug 26, 2016 New York

    I use cascade when I brew most of my pale ales at home. Their flavor and aroma just really seem to match my idea of a perfect pale ale.
     
  11. loebrygg

    loebrygg Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2016 Norway

    I have a couple of meters growing on my basement
     
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  12. anfield86

    anfield86 Pooh-Bah (2,606) Nov 21, 2006 New Jersey
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    As others have said, cascades haven't gone anywhere and they aren't going anywhere any time soon. Basically, they are here to stay.

    Personally, I miss the old school English hop varietals like Fuggles, Goldings/EKG, etc. You don't see those nearly as much as cascades these days.
     
  13. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    So it sounds to me from reading alot of responses that there is still alot of cascade hops being farmed/produced but the market for the buyers has been shifting to macros and international brewers. American craft beer makers (except for old stand by's like SNPA, Mirror Pond etc) have pretty much abandonded this hop. Is that a pretty fair statement?

    It seems odd that macros have shifted to cascade. That goes against the macro standards of non-bitter and minimal flavor. Maybe they are very lightly hopped/low IBUs. Has Heineken always used Cascade? Seems like switching hop variety in a macro/Euro lager like Heineken would drastically change the flavor/aroma of a beer.
     
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  14. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I disagree. I find it hard to believe most people would be able to taste the difference of a beer dry hopped with cascade when other hops were in play vs one that did not have it added. I use it in my hazy ipas and it's just a hop that plays nice with all the other more trendy hops. Nice citrus flavor that plays well in any pale or IPA.
     
  15. bubseymour

    bubseymour Grand Pooh-Bah (4,800) Oct 30, 2010 Maryland
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    If what you are saying is true, why don't brewers of NEIPAs stick with quadruple dry hopping with Cascade and cut the costs of the beer by 25% or more vs. using much more expensive Citra, Mosaic, etc. I have doubts most people couldn't tell the difference.
     
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  16. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Valid point. Could it be said some of these more expensive (trendy) hops are being used just so the brewer can say they are being used?
     
  17. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    I think Cascade are here to stay, but if the trend holds wouldn't its use eventually decrease at some point?

    The macros/international brewers are "behind the times" so to speak, who's to say they eventually don't brew more New England style IPAs/use newer hop varieties to jump on that bandwagon?

    But Cascade won't disappear, just like Fuggles/EKG hasn't disappeared, even in American craft brewing. They'll simply fall out of favor, but I don't see them going away completely.

    They could be. I know I've purchased a hoppy beer or two just because it said, "Galaxy dry hopped", and I tend to like Galaxy in my beers. Some of the best versions of two local beers, Idle Hands' Four Seam and Trillium's Fort Point Pale Ale, are their "Galaxy" versions. Both are better than the originals in my opinion.

    But I wouldn't doubt it if there's a bit of marketing at play here as well with some brewers.
     
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  18. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Coors was the first major buyer of Cascade hops when the variety was first released in 1973, committing to buying a million pounds a year for 10 years.

    Well, given that Heineken dates from the 19th century and Cascades were first commercially grown in the 1970s...

    As I understand it, they hop Heineken Light with Cascades, a beer that dates from the 1990s (and, at one time at least, brewed specifically for the US market) and that is a recent change in the recipe (2013 according to this CNBC article).
     
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  19. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I said it plays nice in New England ipas, not the star of the show.
     
  20. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    I have been worried about some old-school hops like Cascade thanks to the rise of the NE IPA, but I still love West Coast style IPAs and I don't think the older hop varietals will ever go away. They may decrease slightly in sales, but not go away. Hell, one of my top favorite hop combos is Amarillo with Cascade and/or Centennial, and Simcoe.
     
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