'17 NW GABF medal winners

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  1. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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  2. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Wander got Gold for Correspondent Stout. Chuckanut Kolsch took a Gold. Fremont F2F a silver. Silver City Gold for Ridgetop Red. Gold for Chuckanut Dunkel.
     
  3. ballardbeer

    ballardbeer Pundit (779) Nov 10, 2013 Oregon

    Reuben's got gold in Australian-Style or International-Style Pale Ale for Triumvirate IPA.
     
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  4. sharpski

    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    Sunriver takes Small Brewery of the Year! Gold for Fuzztail too.
     
  5. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Really impressed to see Goodlife take gold for their sweet as pacific ale. Who knew sweet as was a wheat beer?
     
  6. JasonJYoung

    JasonJYoung Initiate (0) Jan 7, 2015 Washington
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    Love this beer! Easily found in Pacific NW ranging from $7-$10 per 6-pack. That is a steal. Finding it somewhat fresh is the key.

    I always thought it was a Pale Ale. Regardless, well deserved indeed. So happy to see Reuben win a Gold! At first, I thought they won for International Juice. But it appears this is for the release with yellow label?

    Good old Chuckanut. This place continues to kill it with European/German styles.

    Melvin continues to blow up!

    Man, Portland kicked some butt too. Look at what Breakside continues to do. BUT, wonder why the biggest hype machine in the PNW didn't win anything............Great Notion. Without question, they easily had a top three standing amongst the longing lines (ie hyped brewery at GABF). In fact, has anyone studied the list to see how many hazy, juicy, cloudy, NE style beers won a medal? I think Weldwerks won a medal.

    Lastly, nice to see so many smaller brewery's win medals. But, did anyone else notice the dominating contingent of Colorado medalist? Ha, wonder why....
     
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    JasonJYoung Initiate (0) Jan 7, 2015 Washington
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    Forgot to mention the award given to Full Sail's Mexican Lager Sesion Cerveza. They get a ton of hate, but I'm telling you, this stuff is nice!

    Not too difficult locating fresh 6-pack cans ranging $5-$8 in the PNW. Grabbed an extremely fresh 6-pack last week in Seattle. Cost me an outrageous sum of $6! I'd rather pay $14-$20 for a 4-pack of hyped drink.

    Regularly see macros listed at $4-$5 for 6-packs. Why not spend a couple dollars more and grab the Sesion Cerveza?
     
  8. sharpski

    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    Are you sure Great Notion entered beers in the competition? I think much like Tree House, Trillium, and other hyped new-school breweries, there's more risk than potential reward entering a blind judged competition, or at least telling people they entered. I think GN's beer would do well, but anything less than a gold would be considered a disappointment for the fanboys.

    As for CO being a perennial outperfomer at GABF, it's something we see with OR breweries at the BoCBA too. 1) CO is one of the states with the most breweries 2) The cost of entering and shipping beer is not inconsequential for a small brewery. If the competition is within a few hours drive of your brewery, the opportunity to throw a guy in a van (maybe visit an account or two, see a buddy who brews in that town, etc.) vs. shipping a big box or two might make the difference between entering or not. 3) I can't prove it, but I'm pretty confident there's a subconscious "familiarity bias" at play too. GABF gets a more geographically diverse judging pool than my competition does, but it still stands to reason that a lot of the legacy judges are from the state/region. Sorry for all that if your question was rhetorical.

    Bart Watson from the Brewer's Association should have a post out soon with some statistical analysis from this year's competition, which is an interesting read every year.
     
  9. sharpski

    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    A not unimportant consideration. However, and @Texwild can correct my mistakes, I know that a bunch of WA breweries drop their beer at Fremont, and share the shipping costs, whether that be loading it onto a common carriers truck, or one brewery donating the use of a vehicle. That mitigates the cost, at least to a certain degree.

    I agree with the rest of your post, with this addendum; I think a lot depends on which judges happen to thrown into a given pool. For example, it's possible that a judge who tends to like a certain style (say, murky IPAs) gets assigned to a style they might not be a fan of (say, Barleywines). I know that they are all trained, certified, and experienced, but, they are still human, and carry the inherent biases of our species. In other words, the judge who might give you a 10, could be over at the table giving something else a 6. Or not. Shrug.
     
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  11. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    This from Paulypringles over in the GN thread:

    "We unfortunately are headed out of town for GABF for the next few days, but would love to hear what you think and also meet you if you stop in today or one day next week when we're back.

    I'm assuming that if they attended GABF, it probably wasn't just to see the sights and rub elbows with the crowd. :sunglasses:

    "I know that a bunch of WA breweries drop their beer at Fremont, and share the shipping costs, whether that be loading it onto a common carriers truck, or one brewery donating the use of a vehicle. That mitigates the cost, at least to a certain degree."

    Sierra Nevada always used to do the same thing. It was really the only way a lot of the smaller breweries in California could attend and enter the competition in the past.

    I haven't checked the statistical data this year, but in the past, California and Colorado always garnered the most medals at the GABF, typically followed by Pa., Michigan, NY or one of the NW states. The fact that the competition is held in Colorado clearly makes a big difference in terms of accessibility, as does the number of breweries making beer in a particular state.
     
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    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    True, but breweries can attend/have a booth at the fest or host events around Denver without participating in the competition. In some cases, that kind of marketing and networking can be of more value than entering beers. It may or may not be true for GN, but that’s been my theory about the absence of Hill Farmstead, Trillium, and other East Coast breweries with substantial reputations from the medal lists. I happen to know, though, that GN isn’t totally opposed to entering competitions.
     
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    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    All very true and you make good points, but when I wished them good luck at the GABF, they seemed to appreciate the "well wishes." Still doesn't mean that they necessarily entered the competition, but given their response, that was the assumption I made.

    Your other comments are likely right on the mark. There literally is zero benefit in a brewery like Russian River, HF or Trillium entering their beer into the GABF, unless they simply want to do it out of a sense of pride. If memory serves, there's a not insignificant cost in attending/entering the GABF competition, and the organizers don't pay attendees for the beer that's brought. So with that in mind, what possible upside would there for a brewery like HF to bring some kegs of Edward and Ephraim to the GABF, when they can barely keep up with the demand for those beers as it is? Even if everything took a gold medal, I can't really see how that would benefit them in any way.
     
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    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Agreed. And, on the flip side of that coin, I think that's why some smaller, "lower quality" breweries, with no realistic chance of medalling, do enter. They get their beers critiqued by top judges, and the feedback from neutral, qualified people can be worth the entry fees.
     
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    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    So true.

    Quick story. I attended the GABF for the second time in 1994, and along with the actual grand tasting event, I made reservations to go visit several local breweries during our stay. I can't remember why (location/convenience might have been a factor), but one of the breweries we went to visit was a small, new to the brewing scene place called Left Hand Brewing. I think our reservation was at 10:00, and we were a bit surprised when no one was around when we got to the brewery. After about 5 or 10 minutes, one of the partners showed up. He told us he had completely forgotten about our reservation (he was very apologetic about this), and in fact had just stopped by the brewery to pick up some beer for a tasting that evening. Anyway, he showed us around and we talked about the GABF competition. Left Hand had entered 4 beers into the competition that year, two of which medaled while another took honorable mention. Back in 94, that kind of success was a HUGE big deal, and in fact was apparently part of the reason the partners had forgotten about our reservation. Apparently, they had been inundated with requests for beer from various local, regional and national distributors after the competition, and after that both partners had spent the evening into the wee hours over at the Denver Rock Bottom drinking glass after glass of 25 year old single malt. At least back then, that kind of success was akin to winning the lottery, and almost as valuable from a financial standpoint.

    I expect success stories like that are another reason why small breweries want to enter their beers into the competition if they can (though obviously, a lot has changed since 1994, and I don't know how realistic it would be for a small brewery to have the kind of success today, or even if that level of success would have the same sort of lucrative result).
     
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  16. dphi

    dphi Zealot (534) Apr 14, 2013 Oregon

    Wait, so there's no way to see which beers were submitted for each category - only the winners?
     
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    sharpski Grand Pooh-Bah (3,100) Oct 11, 2010 Oregon
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    Speaking only for myself, I view the feedback from our judges to be the most valuable part of our competition, and the chance at a medal and publicity to be a bonus.
     
  18. JasonJYoung

    JasonJYoung Initiate (0) Jan 7, 2015 Washington
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    I'm 99.9% sure Great Notion entered the competition. That still leaves me an out of 0.1 % :slight_smile:.

    For real though, I'm a HUGE fan of various GN beers. In the past, I have regularly driven from Seattle to Portland for their crowler releases. GN had some of the longest lines at GABF. Very surprised they didn't medal (Blueberry Muffin or one of the Juices).

    Wouldn't be surprised if some of the judges are still pushing back on certain styles or against certain breweries.

    As far as Colorado dominating the medals at GABF, aren't the tastings/judging blind? Regardless, the GABF is widely considered the grand daddy of all beer competitions. So comparing GABF to any other regional contest with biases shouldn't apply. Or at least I thought. Maybe it's time to move the annual GABF to different areas of the country.
     
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  19. checktherhyme

    checktherhyme Savant (1,036) Apr 8, 2008 Washington

    Orlison picked up another Gold medal for Spokane it looks like too!
     
  20. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Just a couple of thoughts and observations.

    My understanding is that the judges are provided guidelines on what to look for, depending on the style of beer they're judging. Entries that don't meet the minimum specifications of the style are rejected out of hand. For example, I was surprised to learn some years ago that one of the things the judges look for in the AAL category was the amount of flavor found in the beer. I kid you not, beers with what was perceived as an excessive amount of flavor were rejected out of hand. In the case of the IPA/DIPA category, I'm not sure what the judges are looking for, but it could be that beers with an excessive amount of haze or lack of bitterness are rejected out of hand. That would make it pretty hard for GN to receive any medals for their APA's or IPA's.

    As for Colorado and California dominating the medal counts, I think that's the result of the number of entries made by Colorado and California brewers. At least in the past, both states had far more entries than any other state in the country. Maybe I'm over simplifying things, but it just seemed logical that an increased number of entries would result in an increased number of medals.
     
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