Burton continuing to go bad.

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by GormBrewhouse, Oct 9, 2017.

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  1. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I know a bunch who also make sour beer (including Matt Miller, who I mentioned above), I could ask them for you, if you like.

    I think that it's a better look for the thread, really. If not for this discussion, it would have just been a "should I dump my beer?" thread.
     
  2. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Sure...btw I've yet to see a substantial pellicle on my own beers (unless you count my idle barrel)
     
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  3. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I just think too much attention is given to them. It 'cause they can look pretty cool, is all. I mean, what else is someone going to post pics of? Beer in secondary fermenters isn't exactly the pinnacle of excitement, now is it?
     
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  4. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
    Pooh-Bah

    Boy, that's a whole lotta answer, lol.
     
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  5. brchapman

    brchapman Initiate (0) Nov 18, 2014 Georgia

    ...or even the Pellicle of excitement for that matter...
     
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  6. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    I'll bet it's Lacto. Taste and find out.
     
  7. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
    Pooh-Bah

    Smelled it last night and it smelled good. The layer of white stuff is not as thick as pics posted here, rather it is no more than 1/16 of an inch thick.

    Guess I'll taste tonight
     
  8. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I'll take that bet. More likely wild sacch. than anything else. Unless he's brewed mixed culture beers in the past and cross-contaminated this beer. Then it could be a whole cadre of microbes.
     
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  9. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    Good info. This explains how my Berliner came out fine after sitting for a while with a dry air lock(lesson learned).
     
  10. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    What lesson was that?
     
  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    What did @EvenMoreJesus say in his post that explains how your Berliner came out fine after sitting for a while with a dry air lock?
     
  12. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    I wondered the same thing. I think this is the line @Brewday had in mind (emphasis added):

    "A pellicle does not protect the beer from anything. It is simply a vehicle for the microbes to use oxygen. Since the vast majority of molds and acetic acid forming bacteria are obligate aerobes, the carbon dioxide produced by the microbes in solution will protect the beer just fine."

    [me again] I don't know about molds, but I wouldn't count on dissolved carbon dioxide to prevent acetobacter from ruining the beer! (Or improving the beer, in the case of Flanders reds.)
     
  13. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Well? :flushed:
     
  14. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    I'm guessing this part is the reason: the carbon dioxide produced by the microbes in solution will protect the beer just fine.
     
  15. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    I learned when ageing beer to check the airlock often. It was my first beer with brett and didn't expect the vodka to dry up after a few months.
     
  16. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Well, tasted it last night, not bad at all, so I am still confused as hell.

    I have had infected batches which smelled, looked and tasted bad. This one smells good , tastes good and has a thin skim of white on top. I'm thinkin of keeping it a while longer just to see.

    Do I assume correctly that if I bottle it I am risking bottle bombs???
     
  17. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    It will probably go funky in the next month or two.

    I hope you checked specific gravity when you sampled. If gravity doesn't change over the course of 3 or 4 days, you should be able to safely bottle it.
     
  18. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Yep, started at 1.093 finished at 1.017. I'll check it Friday an if it still tastes and smells good with no gravity change, I'll bottle it.

    Thanks everybody.
     
  19. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I should have added "in a closed, micro-oxygenated environment". Sorry about that.
     
  20. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    The magical CO2 Blanket won't stop O2 from the atmosphere from reaching your beer.
     
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