Barrel Aged Beer in Cans?

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Would you rather buy barrel aged beers in cans or bottles?

  1. Cans

    43 vote(s)
    16.7%

  2. Bottles

    85 vote(s)
    33.1%

  3. No Preference

    79 vote(s)
    30.7%

  4. Whichever one is best for the quality of the beer is what I want

    61 vote(s)
    23.7%
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  1. Mindsculptor

    Mindsculptor Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2013 Texas

    The answer that hose manufacturers came up with was to shift to FDA approved raw stock with no BPA. Which makes me question the BPA fear mongering.
     
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  2. DISKORD

    DISKORD Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2017 South Carolina

    It's banned in a lot of EU countries. And for a good damn reason. Just get rid of it. I do notice more and more plastic says "BPA-free" now. Same with High Fructose Corn Syrup and Corn Syrup. Ban it and use regular, real sugar.
     
    #102 DISKORD, Nov 2, 2017
  3. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Oh, I completely agree that the Food Babe type of fear mongering is neither desirable or called for but don't think at this point in time we are able to make definitive statements either way.
     
    #103 drtth, Nov 2, 2017
  4. Mindsculptor

    Mindsculptor Initiate (0) Dec 6, 2013 Texas

    The thing is, the FDA doesn't allow the use of BPA in any food production or storage environment, which includes hoses and containers. The reason it's allowed in things like Tupperware I'd because you're not supposed to nuke those. Actually, I recall that was where the BPA alarm was sounded first.
     
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  5. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
    Pooh-Bah

    Although not a BBA aged beer, I saw 4-packs of Harviestoun Old Engine Oil in cans yesterday. They looked beautiful and I'm picking some up tomorrow. I voted no preference, but cans are just so convenient.
     
    #105 rgordon, Nov 2, 2017
  6. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Yet they still allow it's use in food container linings, etc.

    So I'd say were still in an evolving situation.

    https://www.fda.gov/food/ingredientspackaginglabeling/foodadditivesingredients/ucm166145.htm
     
    #106 drtth, Nov 2, 2017
  7. DISKORD

    DISKORD Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2017 South Carolina

    16 or 12 oz cans? And do you remember how much they were? I remember a 6-pack bottles is around $27. Great Porter btw!
     
    #107 DISKORD, Nov 2, 2017
  8. machalel

    machalel Initiate (0) Jan 19, 2012 Australia

    My vote goes towards little miniature barrels :stuck_out_tongue:
     
    #108 machalel, Nov 2, 2017
  9. DISKORD

    DISKORD Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2017 South Carolina

    Made out of Eucalyptus trees. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
     
    #109 DISKORD, Nov 2, 2017
  10. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
    Pooh-Bah

    Looked like 11.2 oz. 4-packs. At Bestway in GSO, I think at $14.99 .
     
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  11. TonyLema1

    TonyLema1 Pooh-Bah (2,890) Nov 19, 2008 South Carolina
    Pooh-Bah

    BA Ten Fidy and KBS are my two favorites, one in cans one in bottles
     
    #111 TonyLema1, Nov 2, 2017
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  12. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
    Pooh-Bah

    That is disambiguous!
     
    #112 rgordon, Nov 2, 2017
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  13. Brolo75

    Brolo75 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,134) Aug 10, 2013 California
    Pooh-Bah

    Bottles, I prefer bottles for almost all my beer consumption, unless the beer is only available in cans.
     
    #113 Brolo75, Nov 2, 2017
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  14. AtillaTheHank

    AtillaTheHank Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2017 Connecticut

    I prefer cans in almost every style. Though it doesn't really matter for me most of the time anyway because i always pour into a glass. However, for big dark beers like barrel aged ales and stouts i think they should always be in a bottle. No particular reason, it just feels like it should be that way.
     
    #114 AtillaTheHank, Nov 3, 2017
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  15. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    I've heard a lot of claims about inline canning lines that were wildly inaccurate in the past. I think that canning is not as intuitive for brewers (myself included where I've had to unlearn some things about pressure settings for canning). Bottling seems like it makes sense because you purge and pressurize the bottles, and for lines like Meheen, the bottles get capped immediately after filling. Inline canning lines look kind of ridiculous the first time you see it... It takes a few seconds for lids to drop on the cans, they're not pressurized, it takes maybe 20 seconds or so for the last can in a cycle to get seamed, so when you see it it looks like a terrible decision for beer quality. I think that's how a lot of rumors got started. You see that stuff and think that with the exposure to air and the extended time before seaming the cans that the oxygen pick up will be terrible. A brewer that I respect once told me that to get a canning line worth buying that you're looking at $500+K. The owner of Blackstone in Tennessee once claimed that inline canning lines pick up close to 600 ppb dissolved oxygen. I think that some of these rumors come from the days when Cask was one of the only options for small canning lines (even still, I'd be shocked if they average more than 200 ppb in the hands of an experienced user). Those are notorious for breaking down, having trouble fixing, and they have a history of poor customer service. Then when Wild Goose started making lines it seemed like everyone immediately got on board and that's part of what sparked the small brewery can revolution but the rumors still persist in some circles. The WG lines are generally seen as a big improvement over Cask. So in comparison to Meheen (the most common semi-automated bottling line) and Wild Goose, the dissolved oxygen levels are far lower from Wild Goose. A new company (Alpha Brewing Ops) recently started making canning lines and I bought one of their first lines available. It's running at insanely low DO levels (as low as 9 PPB) and is slightly more affordable than Wild Goose. The other thing is with Meheen there seems to be a lot of little parts that can cause failures where the inline canning lines are really pretty simple machines and they're intuitive to troubleshoot once you understand the principles of canning.

    All that said, once you start to get into really nice rotary bottling lines vs. the best canning lines, it's a wash. Anything under 50 ppb DO is great and all the good lines should achieve that easily at this point.
     
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  16. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    Oh FFS, you went off on the sugars and haven’t said a damned thing about the toxic stuff in beer, alcohol!
     
    #116 hopfenunmaltz, Nov 3, 2017
  17. DISKORD

    DISKORD Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2017 South Carolina

    Well, then it'd be a wrong website for me to be on.
     
    #117 DISKORD, Nov 3, 2017
  18. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
    Pooh-Bah

    The corn sugar and high fructose corn sugars are converted to alcohol by the yeast! Facts, deal with them.
     
    #118 hopfenunmaltz, Nov 3, 2017
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  19. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    BPA is bad for you, stick with lead cans :wink:
     
    #119 bbtkd, Nov 3, 2017
  20. flaskman

    flaskman Pundit (985) Aug 3, 2015 New York

    I personally prefer bottles but the reality of it is that I use my tulip glass for my "sippers". So in theory what is the difference? If a can makes it easier for the brewer that means its easier for me to get my hands on it so I officially don't care.
     
    #120 flaskman, Nov 3, 2017
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