WTF is an NEIPA?

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by BababooeyHTJ, Jul 8, 2017.

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  1. edward_boumil

    edward_boumil Initiate (0) Jun 28, 2015 New York

    Would respectfully disagree. IBUs are measured chemically, but don't always reflect the actual perceived bitterness in your beer. Other qualities such as balance with sweetness or mouthfeel can also radically alter how you perceive bitterness. So while something like a Treehouse IPA may chemically speaking contain the same amount of alpha-acids as some west coast IPA, this may be masked by other factors in the beer. Which is exactly the point, most NEIPAs are characterized by full and light mouthfeels that are likewise very smooth, which help to calm the bitterness. This is contrasted with a west coast IPA, which tends to be crisper.
    So to answer your original question, as with all beers and beer styles the exact boundaries aren't exactly black and white, NEIPAs should generally be cloudy beers with lots of hopping but low perceived bitterness, and should favor hops that are fruitier over other hop flavors.
     
  2. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    Huh, could be that I also have misinterpreted all the many many others who have said that same thing.
     
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  3. NextBestThing

    NextBestThing Pundit (791) Apr 5, 2008 New York

    In Vermont at the moment, hit Tree House, The Alchemist, and Hill Farmstead over the course of the last two days. Only picked up a bunch of saisons and the BA What is Enlightenment at HF so that's that. Heady blows Doppelganger, Bright w/Nelson out of the water and edges out Julius, at least in my book as well as the folks I took the trip up here with.

    I think all the New England IPAs are fruit forward, hazy, outstanding beers that disguise the alcohol well and do a superb job of showcasing hop presence without being nothing-but-bitter.

    All of the places are very customer friendly and it's a great thing that they aren't dogphobic. A+++.
     
  4. Kb024

    Kb024 Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2015 California
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    Im glad you said that about the hops. Around 2014 i noticed alot of breweries in San Diego starting to do the mosaic/citra/galaxy/nelson thing with their ipas. Low malt presence. Some are unfiltered but not super hazy. I consider them san diego style. Different fruity flavored hops and less bitter than the classic citrus and piney bitterness of a west coast ipa. I thought heady topper would be considered a NE ipa. Is it? Ive never tasted it. It seems like its an unfiltered brew with classic wc style hops. Can anyone confirm for Which region started brewing more of the citra/mosaic/nelson style ipas. im pretty sure Alpine has been doing Nelson for a while and they've been doing Hop Boxed with the citra and mosaic since before it became Windows Up. Does the hop profile matter for a NE ipa or is it just anything that looks like juice?
     
  5. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    There's the rub. Alpine nelson is the OG NEIPA. It utilizes fruity hops, late additions, adjuncts (rye), and is hazy from polyphenols.
    edit, looks like heady predates nelson by two years.
     
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  6. BeerPugz

    BeerPugz Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2016 Wisconsin

    Please stop.

    New England Clam Chowder.

    New England Patriots.
     
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  7. Sweatshirt

    Sweatshirt Initiate (0) Jan 27, 2014 New Hampshire

    Guys...who gives a shit? Can we have one NEIPA thread? Or somehow stop the same obsessive tool from bumping every year old thread about hazy IPAs?

    The filters, photo altering, amount of visual content and oddly worded praise reek of ad-copy. The chances this guy isn't selling beer is trending towards zero.
     
  8. Kb024

    Kb024 Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2015 California
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    I forgot to mention the late additions. I believe It is pretty important. Thanks for the response. Your comment is helpful
    Thanks for the response. Your comment is helpful and i agree with you. I forgot to mention the late additions and i believe that is pretty important. All of the NE style ipas i drink are from West Coast breweries but I am going to Oh. And Pa. For Christmas so ill try to score some NE ipas that are actually from NE. Im more excited to go to the Fat Heads brewery anyways than go searching for somethin thats "hazy".
     
  9. Realsambo

    Realsambo Initiate (0) Apr 15, 2016 Texas

    I had nelson a few years ago b4 neipa was everyone's "jam", and it was the first time my mind was blown by juice. Good call
     
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  10. Kb024

    Kb024 Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2015 California
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    Brother. Keene idea is the Dipa version of Nelson 9%. It is my favorite beer of all time. Best ive ever had. They have it on tap at the tasting room right now.
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  11. deleted_user_950283

    deleted_user_950283 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2015
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    it's what I'm drinking right meow!
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  12. BababooeyHTJ

    BababooeyHTJ Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2016 Connecticut

    I haven't had it but I can only assume that it uses the same yeast as the rest of their beers. To me west coast ipas are primarily defined by that flavor.
    IDK Alpine hit CT a year or so ago which was my first experience. What I can only assume is the yeast gives is such a similar flavor to many other west coast offerings like alesmith, stone, and green flash.

    I much prefer the east coast take on "west coast ipas" like be hoppy.

    I love beer'd Hobbit juice. It's a single hop Nelson iipa. That's of neither "style".
     
  13. BababooeyHTJ

    BababooeyHTJ Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2016 Connecticut

    As a fan of tree house I'm disappointed that's considered a "neipa" and was glad to see it just sitting on the shelves in maine the last time that I visited. Surrounded by much better options.
     
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  14. Kb024

    Kb024 Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2015 California
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    Yeah buddy. Lookin good. I just would like to see a little more info about where the brewery is from. Which hops are used. Abv. Any little knowledge u might have to go along with the pic would be helpful. Its probably a well known brewery in your area but i dont get that stuff over here.
     
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  15. deleted_user_950283

    deleted_user_950283 Initiate (0) Feb 25, 2015
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    I live in Montana, got this in Denver during GABF, and pretty sure it's from Connecticut, the style I believe has to do with a higher protein wheat or oat germ, attenuated water and a very low malt characteristic, pretty much turns out being hoppy fruit juice
     
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  16. Kb024

    Kb024 Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2015 California
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    I dont consider yeast to be a major part of the flavor of ipas but i admit i know almost nothing about yeast. I am interested in learning more about yeast. One thing i do know is... Alpine and Alesmith are way way better than Green Flash and Stone but yes you are probably right about them having a similar kind of flavor profile.
     
  17. Kb024

    Kb024 Initiate (0) Jun 11, 2015 California
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    But thats also what i was trying to say is i dont consider Nelson or mosaic or galaxy or any of those new zealand hops to be the typical hops for the old school wcipa. Such as Centennial, Cascade, Columbus, Chinook, Simcoe. But i kinda feel like San Diego breweries have been using these newer style hop profiles since before everyone else was. They just werent usually very hazy. Thats why im asking if theres any certain hop profile for a brew to be considered NE style or is it just any beer that looks hazy? Ive been drinking unfiltered fruity ipas and ipas with low bitterness and super dry hopped for a while now. way before i been drinking NE style ipas.
     
  18. BababooeyHTJ

    BababooeyHTJ Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2016 Connecticut

    The flavor of a Nelson single hop can vary quite a bit. For example look at tree house bright with Nelson and beer'd Hobbit juice. They don't taste remotely similar to me. Neither of which anyone would hold up as an example of a "neipa".
     
  19. BababooeyHTJ

    BababooeyHTJ Initiate (0) Mar 3, 2016 Connecticut


    I'm not debating that fact. It's just that even single hop brews from Alpine have a distinct flavor that I notice in other west coast ipas. I've always assumed that it's the yeast. Could be wrong.
     
  20. chipawayboy

    chipawayboy Pooh-Bah (2,181) Oct 26, 2007 Massachusetts
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    Maybe I missed my calling -- just dig the dialogue brother. Must say, I don't miss condescending/insulting/know-it-all @Sweatshirt - you off your meds again?
     
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