Hop burn NE style

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  1. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    hey guys, well after kegging my NE style IPA, I have hp burn from 1lb of hops in a 5 gallon batch. It has ruined an otherwise good beer. I just tried cold crashing it at 33 degrees for a day and pouring a few pints off and it's still there. I dry hopped in the primary with no muslin bags, am I screwed? Need help
     
  2. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Hop 'harshness' will usually mellow a bit after some conditioning, but you'll have to wait it out to see what you get. There is no reason to dump any beer at this point. That won't fix anything. The only 'fix' that I can think of would be to brew up some malt extract and blend it into your keg to try to balance what you have. But that's a crap shoot to get it right. Good luck.
     
  3. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Maybe more time at 33 degrees will encourage some of the hop 'stuff' to settle out? Why not just give it more time at this temperature.

    Please report back in a week or so.

    Cheers!
     
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  4. wasatchback

    wasatchback Pooh-Bah (1,574) Jan 12, 2014 Tajikistan
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    Use a smaller amount of gelatin or biofine. If you use less than the recommended dose for 5 gallons you’ll get rid of that burn. And don’t worry it’ll still be hazy, and not ruined.
     
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  5. Bryan12345

    Bryan12345 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2016 Texas

    Some will probably boo me out of the room, but I would look into mixing beers. Your crazy hop bomb topped off with half a Miller Lite might taste great! (and be less filling) :slight_smile:
     
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  6. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Or do he @Bryan12345 with a coors light , or , do a heaven and hell IRS And the hop bomb 50/50. Or wait and let then burn subside.
     
  7. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    I will keep it at 33 degrees for a week and give it another go, but I don't understand when my LHBS said not to cold crash it for the haze?
     
  8. Jesse14

    Jesse14 Initiate (0) Jul 21, 2011 Massachusetts

    I never cold crash my IPAs and do at least two dry hops in the primary with loose pellets. I also use anywhere from 4 to 6 oz of dry hops. I get a little burn on the first couple of pours off the keg. After a few pints and 7-10 days of conditioning it is perfect.

    I suspect the week of time will yield much better results.
     
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  9. Supergenious

    Supergenious Maven (1,273) May 9, 2011 Michigan

    How many ounces did you use to dry hop?
     
  10. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    You will find there are many methods of brewing beer and your lhbs rep has his. I don't have the ability to. Cold crash, but it's a fine step in brewing if you want to.
     
  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Absolutely correct.

    Cold crashing is not a requirement, it is a homebrewing practice choice.

    I have homebrewed for over 20 years (batch number 406 in the primary right now) and I have never conducted a cold crash.

    I brewed a clone of Trillium Galaxy Fort Point and I did not cold crash that batch and there was zero hop burn in those beers.

    Cheers!
     
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  12. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    How much of the lb. was used for dry hopping?
    In my experience, anything more than 5 or 6 oz. is asking for trouble and a waste of money
     
  13. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    I get this early when I get my New England ipas. Give it some time in the keg. Mine usually hit peak within a week.
     
  14. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    I did 2 stages of dry hop :

    5 oz day 3 of fermentation and 5 oz on day 7
     
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  15. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    No keg hops?
     
  16. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    No
     
  17. Curmudgeon

    Curmudgeon Savant (1,110) May 29, 2014 Massachusetts
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    In my limited experience I'm thinking of two factors from what I've read:
    1. What was your fermentation temperature? High temps will create fusel alcohols which can create a burn. This is not hop burn though.
    2. Simcoe hops* - Personally, I get a burning rubber/burning medicinal sensation from Simcoe hops. There may be other hops that I get this from but my experience is still limited. I'd be curious if you used Simcoe and how much.

    *I probably shouldn't be "calling out" Simcoe hops but it's been an extremely sensitive variety for me.
     
  18. LakesideBrewing

    LakesideBrewing Zealot (604) Dec 1, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Did you use any bittering hops? 60 min. addition?
     
  19. Alteredstate

    Alteredstate Initiate (0) Mar 5, 2015 New Jersey

    I fermented at 68 degrees for 10 days, no simcoe hops. I only used an ounce of galaxy at 5 minutes left in the boil, then 5 oz at 165 degree whirlpool.
     
  20. Curmudgeon

    Curmudgeon Savant (1,110) May 29, 2014 Massachusetts
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    68F is a good temp. Was that the temp of the actual beer or was that the temp of the "room", "chamber" etc?

    It's a NEIPA so I'm thinking an ABV target of around 6%-8%. Is it possible your ABV is higher than that? I believe it's easier to ferment higher than intended with bigger beers and that can create fusels.

    Did you use 100% Galaxy hops? I've never used that much of one hop. I use a lot for my NEIPAs (total of 12oz-14oz) but it's always been a blend (citra, mosaic, simcoe, etc) I usually use either 2 or 3 varieties. A pound of one variety, I would imagine, could accentuate the characteristics of that specific variety. This is just a guess.
     
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