Top NE style IPA's available in the MN

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  1. ZAP

    ZAP Grand Pooh-Bah (4,048) Dec 1, 2001 Minnesota
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    Personally the best examples I've had are from Lupulin, Disgruntled, and Forager (not in order) for the most part. Grog at Fulton on tap last year was maybe my favorite beer of the year but the Specter in cans pales in comparison.

    I'm sure there are some I'm forgetting about in the Twin Cities area but those stand out.

    Any thoughts on Drekker's Wheez the Juice or Ectogram? Priced pretty high but if they are top notch I'd be interested in them.

    So two questions:

    1) What do you see as the top NE style IPA's available in MN?

    2) How do the Drekker offerings compare?
     
  2. denali55421

    denali55421 Initiate (0) Dec 30, 2010 Minnesota

    If you can get your hands on some Spirit Foul by Fair State it is probably tops in the packaged for sale department. Ectogasm is also very good, just a small notch below in my humble opinion... Can't go wrong with either though!
     
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  3. islay

    islay Savant (1,211) Jan 6, 2008 Minnesota

    I wouldn't call Spirit Foul a New England IPA. It seems to have higher attenuation and less sweetness / more dryness than does a typical New England IPA, and it has a bitter finish. It uses the x331 hop, which to me screams "West Coast" (although I'm sure some New England IPA producers are adopting it and taming it as they have Citra and Mosaic, which Spirit Foul also employs). It also has harsher and more substantial palate effects than a typical New Englander. I'd call it a hazy West Coast IPA, which perhaps makes it a lot like early Vermont IPAs but little like today's Massachusetts or Brooklyn IPAs. I think it was a way for Niko Tonks (along with his San Diego colleagues) to sneak a beer they could be proud of into the hands of consumers who think they only want New England IPAs and mistake haze for what defines New England IPAs. Notice that Fair State markets it as a "Hazy IPA," not a "NEIPA." It's a good beer regardless.
     
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  4. MNBeerGeek

    MNBeerGeek Initiate (0) Jun 25, 2013 Minnesota

    I’d disagree with the spirit foul assessment above, personally. It is the best NE-style IPA made in MN so far, IMO. Zap named my other tops. Junkyard makes tasty, hazy IPAs that usually lean a bit more bitter.

    I find Wheez not very good. Ecto is ok, but not better than that.
     
  5. ZAP

    ZAP Grand Pooh-Bah (4,048) Dec 1, 2001 Minnesota
    Pooh-Bah Trader

    yes meant to mention Junkyard as well. In no order my tops are Lupulin, Disgruntled, Forager and Junkyard. Not sure I could separate them. All four top notch.
     
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  6. MNBeerGeek

    MNBeerGeek Initiate (0) Jun 25, 2013 Minnesota

    Agreed. Regardless of rankings, it certainly is an embarrassment of riches these days.
     
  7. brbe6

    brbe6 Initiate (0) Nov 26, 2012 Minnesota

    Regular/Semi regular Available in no order:

    Barrel Theory Rain Drops/DDH Rain Drops
    Junkyard Galactic Falconer
    Disgruntled Stupid Good and Damn Good
    Fairstate Spirit Foul

    Rarely available/no longer produced:

    Wicked Wort first batch NE IPA( might have been my favorite in the cities so far)
    Lupulin Straight Hash Homie

    Drekker Ectogasm stands up to all of these though maybe not better and I don't think Wheez is too much of a step down from that.
     
  8. Jtrigowski

    Jtrigowski Initiate (0) Dec 21, 2016 Minnesota

    Rain Drops is excellent, aso don’t forget King Sue
     
  9. islay

    islay Savant (1,211) Jan 6, 2008 Minnesota

    Also not a New England (Double) IPA
     
  10. Hugh_Malone

    Hugh_Malone Initiate (139) Nov 30, 2015 Minnesota
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    What are your top examples of the style? The Toppling Goliath’s IPAs (especially the ones coming out lately) I have had, have been very hazy and juicy. Can’t speak for King Sue, but DDH Sue, Hopsmack, and Fire Skulls and Money were all amazing. Also what I thought to be NE style.
     
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  11. Otis32

    Otis32 Initiate (0) Jan 1, 2011 Minnesota

    TG beers may not meet the current definition of NE IPA but they definitely influenced the style or were a great derivative of the style. Actually prefer TG beers because the they have the haze and the mouthful but it enhance's instead of muting the hop profIle.

    755 from Blackstack was a bit of a disappointment to me because the Citra & Amarillo were so muted. Love that hop combo and but it was marginalized by the soft sweetness of that beer.

    Barrel Theory seems to do a good job riffing off the TG style. The hops still shine without all the sharp edges of a west coast style beer.
     
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  12. islay

    islay Savant (1,211) Jan 6, 2008 Minnesota

    Toppling Goliath King Sue (and its smaller, older sibling pseudoSue) don’t derive from the New England IPA tradition (if one can call something that's been around for but a few years a "tradition"), although they certainly had some influence on it. (Tree House is a known disciple of Toppling Goliath and collaborated with it in Tree House’s early days). Toppling Goliath isn’t afraid to utilize the full range of potential hops expressions (including but far from limited to “juiciness”). It doesn’t avoid hops’ dry, bitter, or piney aspects in the way that the southern New England IPAs do.

    The extreme Massachusetts and Brooklyn IPAs (think Trillium, Tree House, Other Half, and Grimm), as opposed to the more grounded original Vermont IPAs (think The Alchemist and Hill Farmstead), are what have proved so directly influential and popular nationally. These IPAs are distinguished by their remarkable sweetness (and almost complete eschewal of the traditional hops characteristics of dryness and bitterness) as well as by cartoonishly turbid appearances and “pillowy” palates. They are the reason that we now talk of “New England IPAs,” “Northeast IPAs,” or “New Era IPAs” instead of "Vermont IPAs." To me, it’s that sweetness (both in perceived form from solely “juicy” hops expressions and in direct form due to intentionally low attenuation) that defines the New England IPA “style.” The soft palates and, even more so, hazy/murky/cloudy appearances are, ideally, merely brewing byproducts, although we know that many brewers go well out of their way to meet customers’ expectations in those areas. In other words, “haze” is the least important characteristic of New England IPAs and arguably not even an essential one.

    Vermont IPAs themselves are merely a subtle spin on certain unfiltered California and Oregon IPAs that have been in circulation in west coast brewpubs since at least the 1990s. The IPAs of Toppling Goliath may nod at a few early Vermont IPAs but otherwise represent an independent evolution of those cloudy West Coast IPAs, and I don't think they should be retconned into the NEIPA style.

    Added: I do agree that Toppling Goliath, like many other breweries, has been going juicier lately (long after King Sue's initial release) with its IPAs, presumably in response to shifting customer palates that themselves are influenced by New England IPAs. Thus, that "independent evolution" that I mentioned may not be so independent anymore. I still wouldn't call what Toppling Goliath is making "New England IPAs," just as I wouldn't call, say, fruited West Coast IPAs (think Ballast Point Pineapple Sculpin) "New England IPAs," even though they're clearly aiming for the same sweet spot (pun intended).
     
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  13. dbhammel

    dbhammel Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2016 Minnesota

    Modist Dreamyard has not been mentioned here but I think is just as good as others. Lupulin Hooey I thought was better than Blissful Ignorance.
     
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  14. pmccallum86

    pmccallum86 Savant (1,107) Apr 7, 2009 Minnesota

    Tier 1: Disgruntled, Barrel Theory & Spirit Foul
    Tier 2: Lupulin
    Tier 3: Modist, Black Stack & Drekker

    All are good but that's my order, just my opinion...
     
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  15. mnhopfiend

    mnhopfiend Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2016 Minnesota

    Disgruntled just got rid of their head brewer, so it'll be interesting to see if they stay up there.
     
  16. nograz

    nograz Maven (1,424) Oct 30, 2013 Minnesota
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    I wish him the best... and selfishly I hope he finds a brewery closer to or even in the cities.
     
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  17. pmccallum86

    pmccallum86 Savant (1,107) Apr 7, 2009 Minnesota

    Wow, I hope he comes down to the Twin Cities. Could be a huge loss, their IPAs were all phenomenal.
     
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  18. Ol_Johnny_Skippelwicky

    Ol_Johnny_Skippelwicky Initiate (0) Feb 13, 2013 Minnesota

    Damn, know any more deets? Did they fire him or did he leave on his own?
     
  19. jera1350

    jera1350 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,181) Dec 15, 2007 Minnesota
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    When you say, "got rid of", do you mean he was fired or that he left on his own? Curious as to what is next for him then.
     
  20. Ol_Johnny_Skippelwicky

    Ol_Johnny_Skippelwicky Initiate (0) Feb 13, 2013 Minnesota

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