Bourbon County 2017

The demand in those forums will tell you how much people are seeking out the much more limited variants. That demand is the reason for the long lines which resulted in Chicagoland. Prop and Reserve seem particularly in high demand, with Northwoods and Coffee also garnering a lot of the demand. My point was to highlight that demand and it being the primary reason for the very long lines. It wasn’t the regular or the barleywine.

Secondary market is a separate discussion, but we don’t need economics degrees from a Big Ten school to know that high demand on one of the biggest trade forums correlates (to whatever degree) to high demand in secondary.

 

There were a good number of people (dozens to as many as a couple hundred) who were lined up at LP pretty early just because they thought they had a chance at VR and Prop 14 based on prior years. Higher limits on ‘17s made that decision easier to swallow. By the time most realized there was only 12 of each vintage, it was just too late to turn back.

 

You guys were saying that either people shouldn’t be so crummy or the line should police itself. These are both pie in the sky. People are crummy, and I’m saying people in line sometimes do say something - and have no power to do anything when the line cutters ignore them.

If you can’t reasonably expect Binny’s to enforce the line (I agree - it would be an impossible challenge with that line), why is it that you can expect them to enforce no tents or no drinking? On their property, they can. That’s a very small portion of this line though.

 

Why do you focus on the demand side and advocate raising prices instead of the supply side? Couldn’t they produce as much variants as regular, including prop with full distro. They would still sell out relatively quickly since the demand seems to be there.

 

Where are they going to store all of those barrels?

 

Personally, I think if you leave the line for any reason, you go to the end. That's what is taught in kindergarten, none of this "we'll make exceptions" crap. You have to use the restroom while in line? Tough cookies, you lined up too early then , return to "Go" and do not collect $200....

 

I'm just responding to this piece of your post.

I was there. I got there at 3 a.m. and I was in the delivery truck bank of Best Buy (directly behind it). It definitely was NOT a free for all as tents collapsed. We walked east on Willow to the corner of Willow and Marcey. We crossed over to the north side of Willow and eventually turned right and headed back north on Kingsbury. The people who got fucked were those people who decided to wrap around back into the Binny's parking lot (as a number of people didn't wait for them and crossed the driveway to Binny's before they all got out of the parking lot).

I was #675 in line and maybe 50 people cut in front of me (some people were dicks and jumped straight across Willow on Kingsbury without making the turn). I suppose there could have been mass cutting up on Wisconsin but with how much the line collapsed, I doubt it.

 

This may just be because I'm a pampered millennial, but I never sat in a 12 hour line in kindergarten.

 

If it's good enough for the Goose, it's good enough for y'all. Man up.

 

I think the secondary market is the real problem here. In one of my Facebook beer groups, BCS variants have been going up for sale in what seems like every 20 min and for rediculus prices. The stuff is worth money and these douchebags know it and will exploit it. Until people stop paying for it, this will never stop. It just pisses me off that there's people who actually want to drink the beer or share it with friends and they can't even get it because these jerks go buy it all and then turn around and sell it for Max profitz....such BS

 

The upside is, you won't see "empty" beer bottles all over the place. It's like they say, when life gives you beer, make lemonade.

 

This. I would like to have 1 of each variant like I got last year. I've passed up plenty of chances to buy more regular. It's good, but I don't need to horde it.

 

Binny's won't spend any more money on the event unless they are forced to. Not on line watchers. Not on tickets or people to hand out tickets. Not on anti-drinking monitors. Why would they? Most of y'all will be back next year.

If you really want to see a change, one bout of alcohol poisoning is not going to do it. You need to step up your game, and get someone stabbed, or have a giant all out brawl. Maybe graphic waiting in line intercourse. Otherwise the bottom line is more important, and the extra money will not be spent.

 

Did anyone go to the Capone's release yesterday? I had gone the last couple years, but couldn't take the half day off work to go. I know he was going to have a real limited amount of variants, so wondered how many people got variants (besides BW). He had mentioned to me only about the first 30 people or so, which made me think they'd have about 3 cases worth.

 

Exaggerations aside, I firmly believe this is why they only had four points of sale. Didn't want to have extra employees to man additional posts. Even then though, you could have shuffled around the people you did have. E.g. the manager who was the 2nd guy checking ids at the gate could have been checking people out instead. If they solved the checkout problem, a vast majority of the bottleneck is resolved.

 

and on Ebay, empty cartons and empty btls. for stupid prices

 

Is counterfeiting beer a thing? There's a cool documentary about counterfeiting wine on Netflix, but wouldn't think the margins are there on beer. One prop bottle + box + Wells Banana Bread Beer = For sale Prop17, $100.

This is the literal only reason I could think as to why anyone would pay a non trivial amount for empty bottles/boxes. I get people and their need to craft with this stuff...but come on.

 

That blows my mind they only had 4 POS. Hell the Mokena Binny's I think had 6 or 7 and there was probably only 150 - 200 people there.

 

I couldn't make it either but stopped by after work. He got lots of cases of reg, 5 cases of BW and 1 case of each variant.