Kane Brewing (November/December 2017)

this was just a stop on our way to a concert. usually i have a cooler - it was a "surprise" trip that I wasn't anticipating.

 

This, but even then can's wouldn't really lose anything from being cold to warm back to your fridge. I have let a case of HH just sit in my living room when I had no room in the fridge. As long as beer isn't going through crazy temperature fluctuations of 40 degrees to 100+ and back rapidly it isn't going to go bad. Light ruins beer not temperature. With growlers its a little different since there isn't the same type of seal, but its being consumed quicker anyway

 

you would have been fine letting them set in the car, even in warmer temps. Plus it was pretty cold this weekend.

 

I think I understand the sentiment of @bryantc3 's original comment. Hop aromas, which are so vital/essential to the flavors of these NE IPAs, can deteriorate much faster in warmer temps vs. cooler temps (hence why almost all brewers print some variation of "Keep Cold!" somewhere on the cans). I can't find my source for citation purposes ATM (so take this with a grain of salt), but I recall reading about a study finding that the rate of deterioration increases by a factor of two with every increase of 10 degrees Celsius above 0 (freezing). If true, this would mean that a beer stored at ~70 degrees Fahrenheit will "fall off" almost four times faster than a beer kept in a fridge. As a trader who frequently ships beer in non-optimal storage temperatures, I'd be very curious to hear more informed opinions on the subject!

 

no need to debate on it. I am just stating what my personal preference was.

 

legitimate concerns I'm sure... but if you are willing to accept multi-day ship at room temperature, I would think a few hours, even a half day in a car trunk on a mid-40's day wouldn't harm the beer in the least...

 

Only way to find out is to side by side your favorite beer from the same batch--as long as you have quantity. Have one exposed to hot temps a few weeks and the another in the fridge for the same time frame, open at the same time and enjoy a double dose! Make sure they're canned beers to rule out light as a factor. And also don't put the heated can in a constantly moving space, to rule constant vibration out.

 

but if we don't debate what will we do?!

 

We can still talk about how hard wave tank fell off after 2 weeks. I am still salty about that.

 

you sure it didn't just sit in the car for 2-3 hours?

 

About an hour drive from Kane back home in the summer time.

I rest my case

 

Just something to consider: Wave Tank had an intentionally malty backbone, using a lot of Vienna Malt, which is unusual for our ipas. I've heard this a couple times before about Wave Tank and I'm not saying it did or didn't "fall off", but I think that more complex malt presence may have caught some people off guard. It tempered the hop presence somewhat and I can see where people might interpret it as the hops fading quickly. I don't hear much about our beers "falling off", in fact we usually hear the opposite, that they hold up well. This is always welcome because we work very hard to package carefully and properly. But it seems like a coincidence to me that the one IPA we did with a very different malt bill seems to be the only one people have commented on not holding up well. Again, just something to consider. Cheers.

 

totally understand - and i've applauded how Kane beers have held up. But wave tank (for me) was a downer. It started off SO GOOD, at 2 weeks it was drinkable - noticeably malty. but at the 4+ week mark - most of what i opened was dumped.

But the fact that I can open a sneakbox from the end of september and it be pretty killer makes up for it.

 

I do believe I have seen Kane on draft at the Pourhouse. I suppose I would be more excited for bottle releases more then anything lol

 

You flip back and forth between Celsius and Fahrenheit. Assuming your ratio is correct, 70 degrees is 21 degrees Celsius, assuming a refrigerator is kept at 1 degree Celsius, that would mean it would fall off twice as fast.

In before, nerd.

 

Not to take this #nerdtalk too far, but I think my math was accurate! You’re right that 70F ~= 21C. If the hypothesis of deterioration rate increasing by a factor of 2x for every 10C holds—and given a constant fridge temp of 1C as you mentioned—we would expect to see a “fall off” rate relative to that of a refrigerated beer of 2x at 11C (~= 50F) and 4x at 21C (~70F).

Of course, none of this really matters all that much if I can’t source that hypothesis!

 

Anyone crack open a can of First Reef? Despite the fact it's been out of my fridge for an hour at God knows what temperature now this is tasting great. It's definitely a Simcoe forward beer, in a good way, and that dry finish of malt/wheat is to die for. Great stuff.

 

This is a potentially expensive beer week.

 

I will buy, if I can, only because I LOVE this beer. I was not a barelywine fan until I picked this up on a whim last year. I still have 3 of them at home. I am a little taken back by the cost. Last year for the 750ml it was $18 per bottle. If you assume the smaller bottle would have been $15 by itself ($45) then I have to spend $15 more on a glass I likely wouldn't have bought in the first place.

I'd much prefer an additional bottle for the $15 or an option to buy a glass that day if I get the set or after if there are leftover glasses... my $.02