Barleywine recipe help/suggestions

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  1. rxeight

    rxeight Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2012 Illinois

    Looking to do a barleywine as my next project. Looking through recipes, the style seems to be all over the place with fermentables. Would prefer to keep it on the sweeter, caramel forward side.

    I've done a few successful imperial stouts using a grain bill of 80% 2 row and the remaining a mix of several dark malts - chocolate, roasted barley, etc. This has given me a good mix of sweet and roast. Would this 80% 2 row base translate well to a barleywine, and say substituting the 20% dark for crystal, caramel etc?

    Thanks for any input.
     
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  2. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    So, you're looking for something more towards the English side of the spectrum? If so, use 100% Maris Otter (or other, similar base malt), do an extended boil with EKGs or Fuggles added during the last 60 minutes, and a less attenuative yeast strain, like Scottish Ale. Screw the crystal malt.
     
  3. scottakelly

    scottakelly Maven (1,487) May 9, 2007 Ohio

    There can be a place for crystal malt in an English barleywine, but I wouldn't go over 5%. I typically use almost all English pale ale malt with a touch of chocolate malt to adjust the color. If you are worried about the body being too thin, the first thing to focus on is yeast selection. Second would be mash profile.
     
  4. rxeight

    rxeight Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2012 Illinois

    I’ve been using S04 on my stouts, last one had an OG of 1.140 and finished at 1.064, which left a lot of residual sugar and gave it a thick body.
     
  5. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Not sure if you were aiming for that much residual extract, but that's likely a function of your recipe and not the yeast, even though that yeast does not have a super high alcohol tolerance, you should have been able to get it to more than 10% (even though that's its stated tolerance)
     
  6. rxeight

    rxeight Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2012 Illinois

    Alternate high gravity calculator kicks out 12.5%. And I like the stuff on the thicker sweeter side, so fine with the residual sugars.
     
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  7. secondbase

    secondbase Initiate (0) Jun 3, 2015 Tennessee

    I personally don't prefer crystal malts over 10% in a barleywine. 5% mixture of medium and dark crystal should get you in the ballpark of what you're looking for. I'd mash higher (156-158), use a less attenuative yeast and leave out any brewing sugars which will thin out the body.
     
  8. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I use 2row, some munich and flaked oats, a splash of chocolate and a buttload of chico yeast. I start at 1.125 and finish around 1.030. The finished product is still thick and full bodied, but this way I don't worry about under attenuation.
     
  9. Bryan12345

    Bryan12345 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2016 Texas

    I suppose no #brewmance is perfect :slight_frown:

    I like my barleywine on the sweetish side...I use 20L, 120L, and chocolate malt in addition to 2row :slight_smile:
     
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  10. jcmmvp

    jcmmvp Initiate (0) Feb 24, 2017 Sweden

    an fg of 64 is insanely high for a bw tho, and for any beer, even a fat stout. you dont need to complicate a bw recipe.
     
  11. premierpro

    premierpro Savant (1,060) Mar 21, 2009 Michigan

    I am not big on a lot of crystal in a barley wine. 1/2 pound is plenty for a five gallon batch. Also I would not mash over 152 as with a big beer there is always going to be plenty of residual sugar. No need to get crazy with a lot of different specialty malts unless you want to. My favorite yeast for Barley Wines is WLP007. Take care.
     
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  12. anteater

    anteater Pooh-Bah (1,936) Sep 10, 2012 Oregon
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    This recipe is excellent: https://www.beeradvocate.com/community/threads/king-henry-clone-input.49320/

    I brewed it once as posted, aged on oak cubes in secondary for 13 months and added bourbon at kegging. Sweet, luscious, caramel, vanilla, dark fruit, really delicious.

    I just brewed it again but bumped up the OG to 1.145 with a longer boil, and used WLP007 instead to get more attenuation.
     
  13. rxeight

    rxeight Initiate (0) Feb 5, 2012 Illinois

    What was the volume of mash, water and post boil on the 1.145? Sounds about what I’m after if I could scale that to 5 gallons post fermentation.
     
  14. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Little early for things to be going south, don't you think?

    English or American style, brofessor?
     
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  15. anteater

    anteater Pooh-Bah (1,936) Sep 10, 2012 Oregon
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    I did two mashes. Each with about 15 lbs of grain, 5 gallons of mash water and 1.5 gallons of sparge water. I started boiling after the first mash, and just drained the second mash right into the kettle, I also boiled a gallon of first runnings down to a half gallon on a separate stove. Not sure about the exact pre-boil volume, but it went from about 9 gallons down to 4.5.
     
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  16. Bryan12345

    Bryan12345 Initiate (0) Mar 17, 2016 Texas

    Actually bramigo, now that I think about it, I mentally don’t distinguish the two so much. Im assuming that an American barleywine is a little drier and more balanced, and an English can be a little unbalanced to the malty side?

    Aww, our first argument. XOXO

    #brewmance
     
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  17. JohnnyChicago

    JohnnyChicago Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2010 Illinois

    94% golden promise, 6% Breiss DRC.
    3+ hour boil.
    Ekg, 1968.
    Barleywines are badass!
     
  18. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Could you break that down into pounds grain for a 5 gallon batch?
     
  19. JohnnyChicago

    JohnnyChicago Initiate (0) Sep 3, 2010 Illinois

    It depends on your brewhouse efficiency and how big of a beer you want to make.
     
  20. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I would call the english variety more malty with esters typically found in English ales. American styles lean towards hoppy with no yeast expression.
     
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