New to Ohio (2018)

Huh? It's a JO's event, that was the point... They (JO's) say drink fresh, then have events to release "old" bottles... I'm saying it's strange for them (and their loyal supporters) to have such a hard-lined stance on drinking ASAP, but then hold events like that.

I then went on to just say, amidst all the rumored issues of late, I've had 99% of my JO's bottles be fantastic, while the ones that were off... were off within weeks, not years, so drinking "fresh" wouldn't help those anyway.

 

Ah, I see. I didn't realize Jackie O's was involved in the event at all. I just assumed it was Lizardville selling old stuff they had on hand or got from their distribution.

Not all business decisions are scrupulous, and they certainly aren't all made by the people who really understand the beer to such a degree.

 

Wait...Lizardville are the ones that come up with the events. Not Jackie O’s. Trust me, I know how this works. Jackie O’s isn’t without blame(if there is any blame to begin with...smh, it’s an event). But it’s certainly not a Jackie O’s made event. Lizardville has first and last say on the events at their establishments. They chose to hold onto bottles. They chose to wait till the other day to hold the event. They presented it to Jackie O’s. Not the other way around. Either way, I am not placing any sort of blame on anyone. I dont see any issue with this event other than why are you waiting for months later to release and sell those bottles? Not bc of aging isssues but bc I would want to put those bad boys on the shelf as soon as I get them to make my money+ back. Lakewood, from what I heard from good friends of mine, was not busy at all. Hell when they went they had JO’s bottles to choose from as well as KBS, Black Note, Tweak & a semi old case stack (5 cases)of Zombie Dust. Seems to me the issue there is Lizardville not Jackie O’s. That is just MY OWN OPINION.

 

Jackie O's and "delicate" in the same post?
I have had the unfortunate occurrence of buying and opening multiple JO's BA offerings that have been "off". I won't say infected, but the "fall off" curve is rather swift for this style of brew from this brewery. That being said, JOs has always offered to make things right and reiterated their stance that these bottles are made to be and should be consumed "fresh". My question is, what is fresh? My definition for an IPA differs for a stout, but maybe yours doesn't and maybe with JOs stouts it shouldn't. I have had BA stouts from my local area and national breweries that have languished in the cellar for years that have not been "off" and this has in the past, set my standard. For now, if I purchase a JOs bottle I drink it within 60 days. So far, so good.

 

I have a difficult time understanding why anyone would age a beer that has been aged in a Barrel for months and/or years. You think they are aging it and releasing it for you to sit on it? Or are you thinking they are releasing it so you drink it now and buy the next release when it shows up or buy the next beer release when it shows up? These are beers...not wines. If you want to hold onto them and hope for the best by all means that’s your prerogative. If they go bad, that’s on you. They aren’t adding sulfites to these beers like they do wines for preservative reasons. And the second they start adding coffee, vanilla, cinnamon, peppers, cockroaches, Rocky Mountain Oysters, Breast milk, pubic hair and etc is the minute you need to start realizing they are making these beers to consume quickly. But hey, I love seeing “this beer tastes great - but it’s boozy, can’t wait to see what happens to it 2 years from now...” Yeah you will be pissed you bought it 2 years ago. Trust me.

 

Yes.
The two things that really get me about all this is when people go about aging coffee/vanilla/cinnamon stouts knowing full well that these flavors do not hold up or even improve over time.

But whats worse is everyone here seems to lack the ability to blame themselves for ruining their expensive purchases. They all swiftly take to Facebook, Untappd and BA to spread the word that "X beer is INFECTED! Anyone else have this same problem? I just don't want anyone else to get BURNED! Thinking I'll open the rest of my bottles!" As if "infected", i.e. contaminated with wild yeast or bacteria is the only possible cause for unexpected flavors.

I don't know where this CELLUR ALL THE THINGS mentality came from. I guess its just a snowball effect set forth by marketing machines driven by tons of misinformation stemming from the fact that, indeed, a very select few styles of beer can be aged with positive results. That and everyone's need to show off their cellar's prowess.

 

That’s one opinion. You may be surprised to learn there are others.

You’re probably not familiar with the difference between infection and oxidation. It’s a common mistake. Also IPAs and stouts are very different candidates for cellaring. Oh and cellaring doesn’t cause infection.

There’s a lot of good information on this site. Feel free to peruse.

 

One thing I have learned is that if a beer is infected, and continues to get worse or noticeable over time, it's the purchasers fault for not drinking it fast enough before the problem was noticed.

 

You can’t be serious. That’s not how this works. That’s now how any of this works.

 

The mentality of trying to blame the consumer here blows my mind. Impressive mental gymnastics.

I bought a crap ton of BB Oro because I really like it and wanted to continue drinking it for a few months. F*** me, right?

 

Would you do the same for any other product with a limited shelf life?

 

I'll just pass on your comments until you make an attempt to read my other posts and understand what I'm saying. Since you pretty much unknowingly made all my arguments, but tried to direct them as arguments against me.

Accept for the part about there being lots of good information here. Yes there is, but BA isn't gospel. The curators and users here get a lot of stuff wrong.

 

Please direct me to the "Best by..." date.

Not that anything is going to change your mind here anyways.

 

Not all IPAs have a best by date but you don't need someone telling you not to age them. So explain to me why you think a best by date needs to apply to infused and barrel aged stouts?

 

Was never my intention to hijack the thread and as someone rightfully pointed out there is a separate JO’s thread (sorry for the oversight, this forum isn’t my usual haunt), so I’ll cease any more discussion on this particular topic.

Appreciate all the feedback comments, even the hilariously uninformed ones. Bless your hearts.

 

TFW my Dragonsaddle from October is drinking better than infected Black Mask...

 

Can't you guys keep all the crying out of the new to Ohio thread? The crying isn't new at all...as a matter of fact, it seems to never end

 

So we are aging IPAs now? I suppose you can't do much to a Hoof beer to make it worse.

Have all of these off bottles been beers that contain coffee? Seems like it. Consider the possibility that it's not a matter of "infection" as it were, but the effect time has on the coffee.

 

Last I checked BB Oro doesn't have coffee...
And you're right, shouldn't have sat on this Black Mask for a whole 3 and a half months.

 

Apparently you shouldn't have. The Black Mask bottles I drank months ago were great.