Potassium Chloride (KCl) for boosting chloride ion concentration?

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  1. Silver_Is_Money

    Silver_Is_Money Devotee (337) Jun 4, 2017 Ohio

    Can food grade potassium chloride be added to strike and/or sparge water in order to raise chloride ion concentration without also adding additional calcium or sodium? And if so, how much KCl can be added before off-flavors from the potassium ion component become evident?
     
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  2. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Would be interested to know what the ppm contribution of KCl would be.

    How much K & Cl ppm per gram? Or per level tsp/gallon?

    Concerns: high potassium concentrations detrimental to yeast health.
     
  3. Silver_Is_Money

    Silver_Is_Money Devotee (337) Jun 4, 2017 Ohio

    2 grams added to 5 gallons of water would add 50.2 ppm Chloride and 55.5 ppm Potassium.
     
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  4. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Magnesium Chloride could also be used. Stay under the upper limit for Mg.
     
  5. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Any idea the upper limit for K?
     
  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    You don't want more than 10 ppm of potassium in the mash, else it can inhibit mash enzymes. I suspect you'd have to go well above that before you'd start to really taste the potassium. So I'd be more concerned about the mash than I would be about off-flavors.
     
  7. Silver_Is_Money

    Silver_Is_Money Devotee (337) Jun 4, 2017 Ohio

    So 2 grams added to 5 gallons of strike water would be a yeast killer. How about adding it to the sparge water instead?
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I said more than 10 ppm could inhibit mash enzymes. I don't know what (if anything) it would do to yeast. But if it does harm yeast, adding it to the sparge water wouldn't solve the problem.

    OTOH, if you meant to ask if adding it to the sparge water would avoid inhibiting the mash enzymes, then (from a practical standpoint) yes. FWIW, I think it's better to add "sparge water" salts to the kettle rather than to the sparge water. Adding them to the sparge water means that some of them will be left behind in the grain bed.
     
  9. Silver_Is_Money

    Silver_Is_Money Devotee (337) Jun 4, 2017 Ohio

    Silly me, saying yeast while intending to say enzymes.
     
  10. hoptualBrew

    hoptualBrew Initiate (0) May 29, 2011 Florida

    Correct me if I’m wrong but I would imagine yeast health and productivity can be effected by too low or too high of ion concentration?
     
  11. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    The upper limit for Mg is 30 ppm IIRC.

    K? I had to look, and Briggs said the same as Vikeman did, 10ppm. Briggs states above that it can give a sour taste and a laxative effect. :astonished:
     
  12. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Have you ever tasted potassium chloride!? Yuck!!!!!!! Keep that shit away from my beer.
     
  13. Silver_Is_Money

    Silver_Is_Money Devotee (337) Jun 4, 2017 Ohio

    I'll have to agree that it doesn't taste all that good, as my Dad used to use it liberally as a salt substitute and sprinkle it on his food, and I tried it a few times. He got use to it and said it didn't taste much different to him, but I fully disagreed with him on that score.

    Many people on restricted sodium diets are advised to use KCl pellets in their homes water softener unit. They must be daily consuming a fair amount of potassium due to drinking this soft water and cooking with it. The biggest plus side I've heard spoken of (merely hearsay) is that if you routinely water your garden with NaCl softened water you might be harming to killing your plants due to the sodium, but they will grow like crazy when sprinkled with KCl softened water.

    I'm reconsidering attempting to use it in brewing. Has anyone actually tried it for this purpose, and if so, what was the outcome?
     
  14. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    Fertilizers have a rating on the bag that is something like 12-12-12, or 10-0-0. That is the NPK, Nitrogen, Phosphorus, Potassium proportions. So yes, you would be fertilizing your lawn.
     
  15. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    We digress, but.... it depends on whether your soil is deficient in potassium. By the big Lake here in 'Sconsin, we have plenty of P and K, however nitrogen is extremely deficient. I could add a ton of potassium and it wouldn't help anything, we have plenty. But every place is different, and every plant's needs are different as well. But as I said, we digress. :slight_smile:
     
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  16. Silver_Is_Money

    Silver_Is_Money Devotee (337) Jun 4, 2017 Ohio

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  17. dmtaylor

    dmtaylor Savant (1,149) Dec 30, 2003 Wisconsin

    Interesting. I suppose this is based on the difference between a concentration of pure KCl (1 million ppm) vs. "only" a few hundred ppm. Even so....... I'd be very squeamish about purposely adding any of this junk to my beer in any amount greater than, like Narziss recommends, 10 ppm. Or okay, maybe 20 or 30. But it's easy to overdo. Be careful with it.

    David M. Taylor
    Chemical Engineer
    Michigan Tech, Class of 1997
     
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