Bayernbiere Bought and Drunk

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  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Dave,

    I wonder how well a beer labeled as Dull Beer would sell in the US!?!:wink:

    Cheers!

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  2. Bierman9

    Bierman9 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,313) Dec 20, 2001 New Hampshire
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    That's a great pic, too.... as I recall the head was so hefty and fluffy... took all day to pour... on draft... great bier....

    Prosit!
     
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  3. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    I used to drive the A7 just about every weekend for a few years to Nördlingen where my wife lived before we married, I've never even heard of Gnodstadt LOL. FWIW I did attend a Brauereifest at Landwehr Bräu, I believe it was a Herbstfest, or even their Fränkische Brauereifest. Have you ever been there @Bierman9 it's not far from your beloved Rothenburg o.d.T?
     
  4. Bierman9

    Bierman9 Grand Pooh-Bah (5,313) Dec 20, 2001 New Hampshire
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    Have had lots of their Bier while in Roth.... One year I borrowed a bike from the Herr at my Gasthaus and rode out there.... lovely ride... had a couple of Biers... nice place... have always hoped to do there tour but can't match the right dates/times....

    Prosit!
     
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  5. boddhitree

    boddhitree Pooh-Bah (1,839) Apr 13, 2008 Germany
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    Here's the winter beer from Pax Bräu which I teased in my last review. 1st, a pic of the 1L bottles which arrived by post on my doorstep.
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    According to Andreas Seufert, he was looking to make a beer that would've been drunk around the time of Martin Luther. 2017 was the 500th anniversary of Martin Luther hammering his 95 Theses to the church door of Wittenberg. Hence the pic of Martin Luther himself holding a beermug on the label. The tower on the label is also from the town of Bad Neustadt, which was Margathe Lindemann, Martin Luther's mother, hometown, hence the beer's name.
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    Bad Neustadt is in the Röhn, the area where Pax Bräu is located.

    It's not his usual beer, for he imagined what a beer from 1517 would taste like. It's an interesting experiment. My wife's not crazy about it, but I like it a lot. First, it says on the label it's a top-fermented beer, but other than wheat, the ingredients list is minimalist.

    On Pax's website, however, it states it has both oak-smoked wheat and beech smoked wheat malts. Pils malt and caramel malt is also part of the grist. Hops are Hallertauer Smaragd, Hallertauer Perle and he used Wyeast London Ale yeast.
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    At 4.3%, it's probably what a beer of that time might have come in at.

    Aroma: Huge wheat presence is immediately and strongly noticeable. Sweet bready malts and a citrus smell mix in with the wheat to make a pungent total aroma.

    Flavor: On the front, you get a smoked bite, also like bitterness, verging on burntness but not quite. There's also some lemoniness and lots of sweet Pils malt, too.

    In the middle, more oak/beech bite. It's not at all like a Rauchbier and has nothing flavor-wise in common with it. Again, there's a pure sweetness and an astringency that isn't quite sour and not lemony but still strongly present.

    In the back, though it's got only 25 IBUs, it's decently bitter. There's a hint of lemon but more in the astringent citrus range here. Overall, the smoked wood and wheat are very prominent throughout the mouth. Not overpowering, but combined with the Pils malt flavors, a very tasty beer. Very, very unique and worth 1 WOW, but not a 3 WOW beer. You get citrus, breadiness, wheat, woody flavors and a bite from front to back that is hard to pin down as a flavor. I know that this bite and the citrus that's skirting on the edge of sourness is probably what turned my wife off this beer.

    Mouthfeel: Due to the astringency, it makes the beer feel thinner than it really is. It's goldilocks zone here, though I again wish he'd up the thickness in mouthfeel.

    Overall, a very good, very unusual beer. I can really imagine sitting back in and drinking this in a smoky Gastwirtschaft in Wittenberg in 1517, Martin Luther debating you with the evils of the Catholic church. It's almost an acquired taste, not hugely satisfying but very delicious with a wide range of flavors that you don't find in beers today.
     
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Tony (@boddhitree) you have to pay money to Photobucket to 'upgrade' you account such that they will let you share your photos on BA.

    I recommend that you set up an account with imgur. They will let you share photos with no charge. I also found imgur to work 'better' than when I used photobucket.

    Cheers!
     
  7. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    This is one of my favorite imported Pilsners. I believe I've had it on draft as well.

    Unfortunately I rarely buy it because there's no date on the bottles. Maybe I'll find some good Pils in Darmstadt? :wink:
     
  8. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    FWIW from my review of a year ago: Found some of this locally with a decent best-by date of May 2017 -- and no more green bottle. Sure wish I could remember where I found this.
    Good Pils in Germany? Good luck with that. :wink::grin:
     
  9. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Yup, they're all brown bottles over here. I don't recall ever seeing a best-by date though.

    You drank it in February 2017, assuming it was bottled a year before the best-by date (May 2016), wouldn't that make it 9 months old?

    Well, the only other time I've been to Germany I was in Munich. Based on this thread, it sounds like I was in the wrong place for Pils.

    I do remember it being soft, and not crisp, and it also had a very mild hop presence. The Helles on the hand was obviously outstanding.
     
  10. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    The last time I had tried it green bottles were the norm.
    Since some German breweries add an 18 month best by date, I suppose it could have been older. But the review speaks for the beer.
    There's plenty of Pilsner to be found in Munich, I drank it every time I was there. My first beer in Germany was a Pils at the Munich Airport while waiting for traveling companions arrival.
    That could have been the particular brand(s) you were drinking, not to mention freshness and non-Pasteurization in contrast with imports. But I definitely remember crisp & hoppy in those I drank -- especially compared with Helles.
     
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  11. breadwinner

    breadwinner Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 California

    You guys in other parts of the country getting Weihenstephaner Pilsner in bottles? Just saw it pop up locally and gonna grab some. Schlenkerla Urbock apparently came in recently too, so gonna have to jump on that as well.
     
  12. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I can usually get 6-packs over the border into Wisconsin -- or take a trip to the other side of the county to find it. Most Weihenstephaner around here is Vitus and Korbinian in .5 liter bottles, or past-dated Weizen six-packs.

    Been a long time since I've seen any Schlenkerla with regularity. :confused:
     
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  13. breadwinner

    breadwinner Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 California

    We've been getting the Vitus/Original/Weizen/Seasonal sixpacks fairly "regularly" (meaning maybe 2-3 drops a year). Just hadn't seen the pilsner until now.

    Just started getting Schlenkerla again, and never got anything other than the marzen and weizen, so definitely know the Urbock is fresh. I guess unless we're getting crazy old bottles pawned off on us, which I'd like to believe isn't the case. It being a fall/winter beer makes me think it showing up now makes sense/suggests it's fresh. Been too long since I've had any Schlenkerla, since there's no bottle dates I don't ever grab them. If we start getting seasonal beers, though, I'd probably take the risk.
     
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  14. drmeto

    drmeto Pooh-Bah (2,402) Jan 29, 2015 Germany
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    I know the fAstenbier is the go-to answer, but the Urbock is my fave Schlenkerla.
     
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  15. einhorn

    einhorn Savant (1,175) Nov 3, 2005 California

    So has anyone had the Schenkerla cans yet?
     
  16. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    Haven't seen any Schlenkerla cans yet, but I'm going shopping toward the end of this week with the hope of buying some.
    For me, I enjoy Schlenkerla's rauchbiers beers on tap, but in bottles they're a bit too much. The smoke seems to get stronger and stronger even over the course of a few months. Compared to how they taste in Bamberg, or even just a relatively fresh US keg it's a big difference. I haven't seen any of their bottles in years, but the Spezial bottles that made it stateside tasted close to what Schlenkerla's smoke level is in Bamberg.
    In terms of beer preferences, the kräusen is easily my favorite. After that it's a toss-up between the normal märzen and fresh bottles of helles. The bock's sweetness is too much for me, although I do like the Fastenbier's hoppy notes. Eiche is an occasional thing, but I really have to be in the mood for it. My local pub gets a keg every year and 1-2 pints is all I can handle of it for the year.
     
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  17. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    I think I've been seeing the Pilsner for about a year now.
    Hasn't the Urbock been available over here year-round? Maybe I've just seen it sit on shelves.
    Compared with other Bocks and Doppelbocks out there. I don't find the Urbock sweet at all. I was just talking about this offline, but there are few beers that I can point to as cloyingly sweet -- it seems like there's becoming a sort of prejudice against beers that are perceived of as "sweet," as opposed to hoppy, I guess. What other beers do you find too sweet?
     
  18. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    I'm not sure it's just the pure sweetness of the Urbock, but more of that sweetness combined with the smoke. People sometimes compare rauchbiers to BBQ sauce, and that's one I fully get that note with.
    In terms of other beers I find to be overly sweet, I'd put Salvator up there for sure. Most super super hoppy beers from the mid '00s (120 minute, Devil Dancer, etc.) would be up there as well. Most everything I've ever had from Southern Tier tastes like they added sweetener to the finished product. The Bruery's stuff leans in that direction, too. While I truly enjoy them, the New Glarus fruit beers are incredibly sweet. I don't necessarily mind sweetness as long as there's something else I like going on.
     
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  19. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Wow. I understand the sweetness, per se -- but no to any point of being overly sweet. Anyone else?

    Domingo, do you drink soda pop when you aren't drinking beer? I do and I wonder if my palate is set more for that sugary sort of sweetness than any beer.

    And any sort of fruit beer would probably be super-sweet (or tart) to me too.
     
  20. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    I drink things like vitamin water and energy drinks, but usually the diet versions. I prefer to get my calories from beer and/or food. I do drink a decent amount of OJ and cranberry juice, too.
    I find most fruit beers aren't super sweet, but the New Glarus ones definitely are. The Lindeman's back-sweetened lambics are similarly sweet. Yet the fruit beers I get from Crooked Stave, Casey, Trinity, etc. aren't usually. They have a tarty juiciness, but rarely anything I associate with sugary sweetness. Non-sweetened lambics are even more so.
    I don't really mind sweet beers, but they're situational. I mean, I appreciate a lot of the stupid "pastry stouts" sweeping the beer world as a nightcap type of item or dessert substitute.
     
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