Got a Year to Kill...

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  1. Hayden34

    Hayden34 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2014 Georgia

    So here I am, 10 months later, still sitting in the middle of the desert in Helmand Province, Afghanistan. It has been a LOOOOOONG ten months to say the least... I am redeploying in early April and it can't come fast enough. I have at least built up a small collection of beer to drink thanks to my wife and a few good friends/family that I plan to dive into upon my return. And also this sour is still sitting in the fermenter, working it's magic. So there has been a small change of plans since I have been deployed. I bought a kegerator and 5 new kegs for it, one of which I want to dedicate for sours only. I still plan to age the sour for 2 months on some type of fruit (I'm leaning towards peaches or apricots) but I am COMPLETELY new to this process so I need some help. A few people have told me to keg the beer and then put the fruit in a mesh bag and add it to the keg for aging while others have mentioned adding it straight to the carboy. Any tips would be most appreciated. Counting down the days now!!!
     
  2. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    When I have done fruited sours (probably only about 5x, so not an expert) I have added fruit to a secondary fermenter and racked the fruit from the primary on top. 2 months on fruit seems reasonable, though I have gone longer and not suffered any problems.

    One of the minor challenges might be managing the headspace. You want enough so that the fruit fermentation doesn't create a lot of blow off, but that competes with potential oxygen exposure due to a lot of headspace. And some will argue that a little oxygen is good for a sour, although it may not be easy to control just the right amount. I haven't settled on a best management practice, and largely haven't worried, but a keg as a secondary would allow you some added control of oxygen, given you the capacity to purge and seal, if you were concerned. However, the fruit might interfere with using the same keg as a serving vessel. (Never tried it.)
     
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  3. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Hey, good to see you back. I don't do sours, but hope you have a super time on leave.
     
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  4. crcostel

    crcostel Initiate (0) Feb 26, 2006 Illinois

    I have no info to share but wanted to wish you a safe end of your tour
     
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  5. Hayden34

    Hayden34 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2014 Georgia

    Thanks for the response @pweis909 I'm having a hard time imagining getting fruit into the small opening in the top of a carboy (I used 6 gallon glass carboys) which is why I asked about aging in a keg. Someone mentioned putting the fruit in a mesh bag so you can easily remove it from the keg before serving. This is all new to me so I'm open to any suggestions. Also any tips for aging with fruit would be most appreciated as well. Does the fruit need to be sanitized before hand?


    I'm not back YET but I am going on leave in two weeks to New Zealand where I plan to spend about half of that time exploring the breweries and hop fields of the Nelson region. After I return from my R&R from New Zealand, I'll have about a month left in Afghanistan before I redeploy in early April. I can't wait.
     
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  6. LakesideBrewing

    LakesideBrewing Zealot (604) Dec 1, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Fruited sours is about 90% of what I brew now. My typical process is after (at least) one year in the primary fermenter, I rack the sour beer onto 10-12 pounds of fruit per 5 gallons of beer. After 2-3 months bottle or keg the beer.

    Cheers!
     
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  7. LakesideBrewing

    LakesideBrewing Zealot (604) Dec 1, 2013 Massachusetts
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    I secondary in a 6.5 gallon Big Mouth Bubbler. It holds 5 gallons of beer and 10-12 pounds of fruit perfectly.
     
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  8. Prep8611

    Prep8611 Savant (1,208) Aug 22, 2014 New Jersey

    Thank you for your service. Hope you have a great leave.
     
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  9. Hayden34

    Hayden34 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2014 Georgia

    Hmmm... that just might be the route that I take now that you mention it. I can order a Big Mouth Bubbler on my next order (I had already planned to order some brewing supplies before my return) and rack it directly onto the fruit. Awesome suggestion. How do you prep your fruit? I am planning to use fresh fruit from the local farmer's market.
     
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  10. LakesideBrewing

    LakesideBrewing Zealot (604) Dec 1, 2013 Massachusetts
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    Nice! I only use fresh fruit from farmer's market or a local farm that offers 'pick your own'. I honestly think it makes a huge difference. I wash the fruit real good and then freeze it. The freezing helps breaks down the cell walls and also kills anything unwanted. Although, I've success just washing and then going directly into the secondary. The main reason why I tend to freeze is the timing of it all. Here in New England we have a small window of 'perfect fruit'. So I buy it when it is perfect and freeze it for when I need it.

    Cheers!
     
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  11. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    Big mouth fermenters are super, I have 4. Fresh fruit for me, is a no no. Even though I grow my own, insects and bacteria are everywhere. Maybe it does not matter with a sour, but when fruiting a non sour/ wild beer, I boil for 1-3 minutes and no problems.
     
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  12. Hayden34

    Hayden34 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2014 Georgia

    Thanks for the advice gents. Either of you have any problems with the tops staying on with the Big Mouth Fermenters? I was just reading the reviews over on Midwest Brewing supplies and the majority of the reviews are bad because the top pops off.
     
  13. GormBrewhouse

    GormBrewhouse Pooh-Bah (2,111) Jun 24, 2015 Vermont
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    No problems here, but I would make use your bung is solid plyable old school type and not the thin side walled type. Thin one can pop or shift , solid plyable bungs stay in place for me. Otherwise, big mouths work just fine.
     
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  14. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    Most of this advice looks great, but the part about killing anything unwanted is wrong. Freezing is not an effective way to kill the microbes you might worry about (or really any microbes, as far as I know). It's still probably a good idea, but for the other reasons cited, not for any prophylactic effect.

    Maybe @OldSock could weigh in on sanitizing the fruit. I notice that he sanitized the cherries that he used in a Flanders red ale, commenting:

    As I usually do, I rinsed the dried fruit briefly in StarSan to remove the oil that prevents them from sticking.

    On the other hand, cherries have waxy skins, and his stated reason for rinsing them was not to get rid of bacteria but to get rid of oil, as he further clarified:

    4/8/16 Added 1 lb of dried cherries to the 58W3 half. Rinsed in StarSan to remove any surface oil (more than sanitation).

    He made no mention of sanitizing the nectarines in this recipe, but maybe he just didn't get to that level of detail. He clarified in the comments to his milkshake IPA recipe that he sanitized the nylon stocking he bagged the mangoes in but not the mangoes themselves.

    So although I think his input would be welcome, I think it's reasonable to conclude from his blog that @OldSock doesn't go out of his way to sanitize fruit that he is adding to a mixed-fermentation sour like the one you have brewed. Of course it goes without saying that fresh fruit should be rinsed free of any dirt, oil, etc. (@OldSock is Mike Tonsmeire, author of American Sour Beers, so I think it's safe/advisable to imitate his brewing practices.)

    Also, have fun in New Zealand! You might consider picking up a jar of thyme honey, which Tonsmeire used in a saison. Just be careful not to get into a "Who's on first?" type situation.

    You: Do you have any thyme honey?

    Store owner: Time for what? And don't call me honey.

    You: What? Surely you have thyme honey.

    Store owner: I've got all the time in the world, but don't call me Shirley either.

    [edited for clarity/joke improvement]
     
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  15. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    Often I have added fruit as a puree, so the next of the carboy did not offer the challenge you are imagining. You can dice into small bits, if necessary (or use a food processor) But your way may work fine.

    If using a commercial puree, probably no reason to sanitize. If using fresh fruit, maybe it makes sense to try, but I never did.
     
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  16. BoozeSodas

    BoozeSodas Initiate (0) Oct 12, 2017 Rhode Island

    I use this Kegco fermenter and love it. It has a wide mouth with screw top and gasket. I tried the open airlock bath, but now I just use a #3 stopper and 3 piece airlock.

    http://www.beveragefactory.com/draftbeer/home-brew/SD-7340J-glass-jar.html

    It’s on amazon too.

    Thank you for your service!
     
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  17. Hayden34

    Hayden34 Initiate (0) Aug 10, 2014 Georgia

    Thanks to ALL for the advice. I can't wait to give this a try when I get home in 57 days (but who's counting?). Also thanks to @minderbender for the laugh! I'll be sure to look out for some thyme honey while I'm in NZ. That is, if I can find time to squeeze it in between my search for local breweries and Nelson Sauvin hops!!!!!!
     
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  18. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    The easiest way to do this is either buy fruit juice or fruit juice concentrate and add that to your fermenter. You can also juice (and heat reduce) your own fruit.

    As far as priming your bottles, I've never done it any differently than I do my clean beers and I've never had an issue. That said, terminal acid shock is a real thing.
     
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  19. csurowiec

    csurowiec Initiate (0) Mar 7, 2010 Maryland

    I have done several fruited beers and ciders and have never sanitized the fruit. I get it local in peak season and freeze it. When needed I thaw it and put in secondary then rack the beer onto it. I have not had an issue yet with unwanted bad bacteria from the fruit but maybe I’m just lucky.
     
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  20. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    There's a reason for this. If your beer already has a pH in the mid to low 3s, which most sour base beers will have, the vast majority of bacteria and yeast that will come off your fruit that might cause off-flavors will be inhibited by the low pH environment.
     
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