My brett primary doesn't want to quit!

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  1. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    I know the answer, i think. i just want reassurance and love.
    did an all-brett beer. its now 3 weeks later and my airlock's bubbling every 8 seconds. not liking that one bit.
    i did sparge it lower than i should have (wanted a dry taste. whoops). so it was probably at 150 F vs 155 F.
    so....since this is being used at a home brewing event, should i just let it ride? apply some heat?
     
  2. yinzer

    yinzer Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2006 Pennsylvania

    I'd leave it alone.

    Just curious. Did you do a starter that propagated cell count? If you did how long did you let the starter go? I'm told that it will start and stop a few times. Wyeast or White Labs? Did you aerate/oxygenate?
     
  3. ventura78

    ventura78 Pundit (972) Nov 22, 2003 Massachusetts

    I've had wyeast 3522 do that to me a few times. Its still bubbling at the 8 week mark. The FG was where it should have been so in the bottles it went.
     
  4. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    i had a starter going. 2 litres of starter with 2 vials of brett clauss. that was going for 7+ days.

    aerated the wort this time. previous time, i did not. i wanted some sour/funk notes.
     
  5. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    i was hesitant to take an initial gravity. i'm kind of confused as to what happens when you have a gravity of, for example, 1.050, and then you add 2 litres of a starter to it. there's alcohol in the starter, i assume, so the gravity will change. so i'm not really sure where the final gravity will "be" since the starter throws off the gravity slightly, no?

    but if its still farting away and the gravity's at, for example, 1.010, i'd let it ride for a bit. if its still farting at 1.005? rack it?
     
  6. yinzer

    yinzer Initiate (0) Nov 24, 2006 Pennsylvania


    Hopefully oldstock will chime it in as I don't have my notes w/me.

    I'm not sure if you'll ever get much sour/funk with a primary Brett fermentation. I've woefully under-pitched and oxygenated my first 100% Brett and got a very clean beer that fermented fast. As I understand it all the WL vials have cell counts for secondary pitching like bottling.
     
  7. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    hence my big, fat starter.

    brett clauss won't give much funk. only with time, and it won't be like the other bretts. its aroma's what i desired, and i'm getting amazing mango and floral notes. heavenly. smells like no other beer. but we had the discussion in another thread about aerating vs not aerating. i've had great results with both fermentation-wise. but this one doesn't want to quit.

    i have a beer event in 4 weeks. hoping that things slow down in 2 weeks so i can keg it and let it ride.
     
  8. ventura78

    ventura78 Pundit (972) Nov 22, 2003 Massachusetts

    I would wait until the fg reading is consistent for a few days before bottling. Even if you still have a few bubbles. I like to go a min. of 4 weeks.
     
  9. biking4beer

    biking4beer Pundit (833) Oct 5, 2006 Colorado

    My experience with Brett is that it's slow and steady (probably not always the case) with high attenuation. It could slowly eat through the last bit of that sugar, so I would let it ride. I'm with ventura78, plan on at least 4 weeks with Brett.
     
  10. Xul

    Xul Pooh-Bah (2,139) May 18, 2008 California
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    I'm on week 5 with a beer that I co-pitched Wyeast 1388 and White Labs Brett Brux (no starter on either, OG was ~1.046) - it's still bubbling every 5 to 6 seconds as the brett does its thing.
     
  11. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    that's different.
    i am using a brett-only fermentation. yours will take time because the primary works faster than the brett yeast and the brett's now eating the unfermentables.
    i'm pretty certain that brett, when used as a primary, doesn't have the 100 day rule, whereas, yours will.
     
  12. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    i should also add that brett isn't slow when used as a primary. its "slow" if you don't create a big-ass starter. but i'll get fermentation within 15 hrs when i pitch the starter. my last brett-only beer (which was sparged at 155 F) fermented out in around 10 days, i think
     
  13. biking4beer

    biking4beer Pundit (833) Oct 5, 2006 Colorado

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    Are you sure it was done when you thought it was? It may have torn through the majority of the sugars and then slowly consumed the rest. My limited experience with Brett is that it, in general, works slowly whether used alone or in conjunction with another yeast. I guess it could be strain dependent.

    A similar example to me is 3711. Even on a big gravity beer it will consume 75% of the sugars in 3-4 days and then trickle along for another 3-4 weeks until nearly all the sugar is consumed.
     
  14. atomeyes

    atomeyes Initiate (0) Jul 13, 2011 Canada (ON)

    who knows. didn't take the gravity. it was sitting silent for 3+ extra weeks, so hopefully, all is good. otherwise, i'm 1 week into getting bottle bombs
     
  15. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    Brett used as the primary yeast will pretty much function as any other yeast. It can in some circumstances ferment out in under a week. I let my 100% brett beers sit in primary for about 3-4 weeks. Their OG was about 1.04ish and they fermented to about 1.010ish.
     
  16. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    You can definitely get some funk from 100% brett fermentations. It will generally develop within the bottle. As far as sourness goes, probably not much, you really need bacteria for that. You might get a little bit from aeration, but from by experience I couldn't notice a difference from the double batch that I brewed and aerated half. Of course my level of aeration could have been insufficient.
     
  17. biking4beer

    biking4beer Pundit (833) Oct 5, 2006 Colorado

    I don't think that's what a lot of the evidence suggests. I would argue that 2.5 Plato (1.010) is a high finishing gravity for a Brett beer. With a 10 Plato (1.040) original gravity, that's only 75% attenuation, which I would say is on the lower side for a small beer and Brett. I guess what I'm trying to say is that Brett can really slow down and seem to be done when it's actually not.
     
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  18. biking4beer

    biking4beer Pundit (833) Oct 5, 2006 Colorado

    We agree on this part. I know some people argue a lot of aeration can cause Brett to sour some, but there is a point where you can ruin the beer with aeration. The traditional sour that we know from Cantillon, Russian River, Boon, etc, is caused by bacteria.
     
  19. jamescain

    jamescain Initiate (0) Jul 14, 2009 Texas

    I'm only going based off of my experience. After 3 months in the bottle the carbonation has only increased slightly. I thought Chad Yakobson found something similar to this (regular attenuation in 100% brett fermentation) in his Brett master's thesis? Although I could be mis-remembering. I'll have to read it over again. I honestly was surprised with the FG of the beer myself, but it was constant for about 2 weeks, so I bottled it.
     
  20. biking4beer

    biking4beer Pundit (833) Oct 5, 2006 Colorado

    So I guess we could say that Brett is like other yeasts in the regard that it can be inconsistent. I would probably err on the side of longer time.
     
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