Non-Hazy IPAs That Get Hype?

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  1. bilbobrewer

    bilbobrewer Zealot (712) Jul 16, 2014 Oregon

    NE IPAs are the "disco" of brewing....an abomination. If I want a murky glass of beer-like juice, I will dip out a ladle of trub from my primary fermenter on about Day 4.
    At least then I'll know exactly why it looks like that, versus the inconsistent & dubious explanations from the "professional" brewers why their Boston-inspired swill looks like vomit.
    Unfiltered? Perfectly valid & fine.
    But whoever that Boston brewer was who was able to push that first rancid batch of swill to his customers is an evil, evil genius.
     
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  2. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    To me, that gives credibility to the thought that non hazy IPA's might not be able to have the same qualities as hazy IPA's. There is a lot of data that would need to be pulled out of this for full results to be analyzed.

    The first to me would be: What is the skill level of the tasters?

    Secondly, I would want to ask the tasters which attribute they determined in the beer that made them think the beer was clear of hazy. For me, I would actually try to focus completely on mouthfeel on my first sip and then try to distinguish esters on my second sip.

    Third, there's the issue of the beers themselves. You can easily brew a hazy beer that doesn't have the mouthfeel and attributes of a NEIPA... brew a Pliny clone recipe and serve it hazy. It won't have the soft, creamy mouthfeel that we associate with the best NEIPA's. At a beer fest a week ago I tried several hazy IPA's that just tasted like poorly conditioned old school IPA's... little ester content, not creamy or soft, and medium high bitterness. Trying those in a blind tasting, I would have said that they had all the attributes of a clear IPA and my assumption is that the brewers just figured "Hazy IPA's are acceptable now. Why bother conditioning?" In my opinion, those beers should be served clear. I also have had a lot of beers sold as NEIPA's that taste the same way. It is a disservice to the style for brewers to brew that way.
     
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  3. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    Is this cheating?

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  4. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    Sounds like your understanding of the style is lacking and as a result you’re taking a narrow minded approach to trying them.
     
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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    But where are the fruit additions!?!:stuck_out_tongue:

    Cheers!
     
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  6. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I would agree that this is a good start, and a tasting with different methodology would be prudent. It would require several blind triangle tests utilizing several different beers.
    if I could get my hands on some trills or tree house I wonder if @dauss would be interested in revisiting this.
     
  7. notnice_75

    notnice_75 Initiate (0) Apr 7, 2017 Iowa

    TG still gets some well-deserved hype around these parts, especially since they started canning here in Decorah. (The FL Brew Hub stuff was of questionable quality and/or freshness, and generally considered a poor representation of the recipe.)

    Fresh cans of Pompeii on the shelves last week, selling like hot cakes. PseudoSue cans also up to scratch.

    Probably not a lot of it around in AZ though, @honkey...
     
  8. mkh012

    mkh012 Pooh-Bah (1,787) May 7, 2015 Colorado
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    I don't even know where to start with this comment. You seem pleasant...
     
  9. riegler

    riegler Crusader (427) Apr 30, 2015 Iowa

    It seems to me that some beers that TG brews used to be a lot clearer than they are now. Most of their IPAS always had a slight haze to them, but some are looking like straight juice lately. I'm guessing that's not an accident.
     
  10. dauss

    dauss Pooh-Bah (1,954) Aug 9, 2003 Colorado
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    Sounds good. We can provide the Superpower IPA
     
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Has TG announced a change to their recipes/brewing process? Have they switched which yeast strain they use for example?

    Cheers!
     
  12. KCUnited

    KCUnited Savant (1,038) Nov 11, 2014 Arizona
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    I actually think you could use the same TG beer, same batch, as its own triangle test. 2 will be the same, one will be different. And I'm a big fan of the recent Decorah brewed stuff we've seen.
     
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  13. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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  14. bilbobrewer

    bilbobrewer Zealot (712) Jul 16, 2014 Oregon

    If you don't know where to start, why did you?
     
  15. bilbobrewer

    bilbobrewer Zealot (712) Jul 16, 2014 Oregon

    And your "understanding" is.....?
    Please explain it to the great unwashed, oh wise one.
    I dare you.
     
  16. mkh012

    mkh012 Pooh-Bah (1,787) May 7, 2015 Colorado
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    Calling an entire style an "abomination" as if it's an objective truth is silly. In almost all cases - the exception being beers brewed with fruit - NEIPAs are quite literally beer, not "beer-like juice". Putting "professionals" in quotes is as pretentiously dismissive as the "abomination" comment. Plenty of brewers brew other styles very well in addition to NEIPAs. They know what they're doing. If you don't like NEIPAs, don't drink them, but your over-dramatic characterization is flimsy at best.
     
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  17. honkey

    honkey Maven (1,350) Aug 28, 2010 Arizona
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    You equated dumping trub into a glass as being the same thing, I would think to most people it would be obvious that your understanding is misconstrued. In general referring to beer as swill just makes people look weirdly grumpy, so there’s that too... I wouldn’t be so cocky as to refer to myself as “oh wise one” but I have spent the last two years making a living mostly by brewing this style and examining a large amount of them with gas chromatographs, blind tasting panels, and conducting numerous experiments on the effects of biotransformation and various yeast strains, but you can opt to continue your ignorantly aggressive pursuit here if you so please.
     
  18. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
    I think @honkey has a basic understanding of the style.
     
  19. riegler

    riegler Crusader (427) Apr 30, 2015 Iowa

    Not that I'm aware of. It's just something I've noticed. Although they've always had quite a bit of batch variation. Full disclosure: I love almost all of their IPAs, and if they were still clear, like most use to be, they would be my answer to OPs question.
     
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  20. AlcahueteJ

    AlcahueteJ Grand Pooh-Bah (3,242) Dec 4, 2004 Massachusetts
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    I think the fact that this thread has been going on for a week and is only 5 pages in tells you all you need to know about the hype (or even availability) of non-hazy IPAs...

    For this style appearance is a major part of the package. I'm personally guilty of seeing a turbid/juicy looking IPA and thinking, "Damn, that looks good," simply because I associate that look with the style.

    It's not just a turbid look though, for example, I associate a pillowy white head and crystal clear straw blonde color with a great Pilsner, that also looks really good to me.

    Now, if a brewer produced a beer that had the mouthfeel, aroma, and flavor of your typical New England style IPA and tasted great, I bet it would be hyped. But that brewer is tackling two problems at once, making that beer in the first place (with the mouthfeel appearing to be the most challenging part), and then convincing today's craft beer consumer a clear looking IPA CAN be that good.
     
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