Bad Trader @TheColoradoPursuit

Sorry to hear about this!

I'm curious as to what transpired in his 12/19/15 trade with @behindalens - but it looks like it has been 5+ weeks since he has been online. It appears that @TheColoradoPursuit left him positive feedback, while @behindalens left him neutral feedback citing "shipping issues".

Perhaps a similar scenario? That's definitely digging up the past though.

 

Damn, that sucks. I see he has two OK trades and one trade as good but has a less than perfect comment. Hope this gets resolved.

 

Any way you can contact Fedex and see if the box was ever dropped off? Seems unlikely but worth checking.

 

@SammyJaxxxx, sorry to hear that you had to start this BT thread.

@dmbforever this appears pretty straightforward. Can you slap the BAD TRADER flag on @TheColoradoPursuit until he explains himself? Kinda ridiculous that the BT received his package from the OP, confirmed that fact with the OP, and appears to have not actually dropped off his package to the OP at FedEx (just created a label). No excuse for the BT to not answer the OP's multiple messages when he knows that the OP did not receive his box.

 

Not to distract from this thread, but why is it that a neutral position creates 0 effect on the rating of a trader?

I get that positive is a gain, so bad is a negative, and thus neutral should be neither...but neutral is obviously a weak version of bad. It should count as such.

@Todd Has there ever been a discussion internally on making this a weak version of "negative feedback" in terms of how it impacts someone's score?

 

I'd respectfully be cautious of such a move.

IMHO, a lot of people are already very cautious about providing neutral feedback, which has been debated on these boards before. I think if it lowered someone's rating it would become even more difficult for folks to pull the trigger there. There's also already the handy little scoreboard on the right side of someone's trading profile (the "Good/Ok/Bad") which gives a quick overview of their past feedback.

 

I personally agree with @Beer_Economicus. There should be some distinction of people without neutral feedback.

How about adding a + sign to people with only good feedback. A trader like the OP would have his trading reputation shown as 100 +%. People with a single neutral rating would be listed at 100% (or whatever their actual average computes). People with multiple neutral scores would have a negative symbol after their reputation percentage (i.e. 75 -%).

This allows for one neutral score BEFORE the trader gets a negative on his trading reputation percentage. Hopefully before the second neutral, the trader would step up his trading game. Also, alerts potential trading partners to actually read the neutral feedback. Too many people just see 100% and think that alone means there has been no issues with this trader.

There definitely needs to be this distinction of great traders who have all positive (good) feedback and no neutral feedback as opposed to traders with no negative feedback but one or more neutral feedback. Makes traders strive to be a little bit better which is a good thing imo.

 

This is what I was trying to get at. Neutral is a weak version of bad-feedback. There should be somewhat to show this by looking at the % score. I'm not sure what the "right" way is, but this seems reasonable. I'd be fine with neutral simply subtracting 1% for every neutral review. Anyone with less than 99% would obviously be scrutinized, as they should be. This also would not disproportionately destroy someone's feedback, even if they were a newbie and made a mistake, and only had 3 reviews -2 good, 1 neutral. 99%. That would be a good signal.

 

It doesn't make sense that an OK trade counts the same as a good trade. The data is there beyond the % for people to see, but still unfair people with OK trades have same % as people with all good trades. Although I do understand unintended consequences of changing this abd of people being hesitant to mark a trade as OK if it has a negative impact on the score. But people just need to be honest, if every trade feedback gets rubber stamped as good it defeats the whole purpose of a feedback system.

 

This is the reason why I try to wait to leave feedback until I feel that I can write something appropraite. I try to not just say "good trade. good guy. Thanks." or "Would trade again." I try to be honest, and I seem to be pretty selective about my trading partners, and as a result, I also want to be selective about my feedback.

That said, I'm also guilty to looking at the 100% if I am hunting. I did not even remember until this thread that neutral did not impact the score...at all.

 

Only untrue thing in this thread! Selective, pshaw.

I'd tend to agree that a "+" or "-" might be helpful - but, if we're going down that route, I'd suggest using an asterisk (*) for simplicity's sake, for those who have "okay" feedback, and no designation for those with all positive feedback. An asterisk draws the attention adequately - and giving traders the breathing room of a single "okay" may be okay for some, but you'll have to work up some serious guidelines around the usage if it's going to give you a permanent "-" after two "okays".

Are shipping delays cause for an "okay"? What variety of shipping delays?

Are poor quality or no extras cause for an okay? Poor by whose standards?

Is slow communication cause for an okay? Could it be reversed if you'd been in an accident or missed a connecting flight or your grandmother was in the hospital or etc.?

Encouraging use of "okay" is interesting because you may risk branding an awful lot of people with the "-" or "*". Would it ever expire? After two years? After ten successful, positive feedback trades are closed? Etc.

Just my two cents. Implementation of this thing may be more complicated than it seems on the surface.

 

This ^

If you're that worried about netural feedback, take the extra 10 seconds to look at their feedback. No need to over-complicate things.

 

It may not matter in this case. If he doesn’t come here and explain and make it right, I’m pretty sure his account is going to get smoked. The last few of these where accounts were not deleted, no beer was stolen and people just backed out of trades.

 

@TheColoradoPursuit has been tagged with the bad trader until he comes in here with an explanation and completes the trade.

He has not been on BA in over a week, so it does not appear to be promising.

If he does not come in here....his account will be retired.

@SammyJaxxxx please save all pertinent information...texts, convos, etc till this is resolved. Im sure you already have anyways.

Cheers!