American Pale recipie critique

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  1. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I have some citra laying around and hope to brew this one this weekend, but wanted to get some critique as I haven't brewed my own APA yet. I'm going mini mash, single step at 155 for an hour on the grains.
    6.0lb Pale LME
    1.5lb two row
    1.0lb munich
    1.0lb crystal 40l
    1oz amarillo gold @60
    1oz citra @10
    wyeast american ale.
    Should come out with an OG of about 1.059, estimated FG of 1.015, est abv 5.8%
    I dont have alot of experience with mashing, just want to make sure I have enough enzymatic potential to mash out ok.
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Assuming a typical american two-row, you'll have more than enough diastatic power for this mini-mash.
     
  3. mcc1654

    mcc1654 Initiate (0) Mar 20, 2011 Illinois

    I would bitter with something else if possible and use the amarillo at flameout. Amarillo is such a great aromatic hop it seems wasteful to use it for bittering.
     
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  4. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Simcoe? Maybe willamette?
     
  5. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    If you really want a fairly neutral bittering hop, Magnum would be a good choice. But there's nothing wrong with bittering an APA with Amarillo if that's what you have.
     
  6. JebediahScooter

    JebediahScooter Initiate (0) Sep 5, 2010 Vermont

    I'd also bitter with something else and spread the Citra and Amarillo out over 15 minute to flameout additions.
     
  7. mcc1654

    mcc1654 Initiate (0) Mar 20, 2011 Illinois

    I personally would use either Warrior, Columbus or Magnum if you have those one hand. I've been using hopshot extract from Northern Brewer recently in my pales & ipas and really enjoy the results.

    However, if none of those are options to you, you could try Simcoe as fwh. Again Simcoe is another one of those hops that makes a great late addition because of it desired flavor and aromatic qualities, but I've used it before for fwh hopping in a pale with no 60 min addition and I enjoyed the results.
     
  8. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    i may go magnum, but i'm not wanting more than 35 to 40 ibus, how does cascade work as a bittering hop? I have cascade laying around.
     
  9. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I'm unclear why you are mini mashing. If you're not just steeping the crystals and you want to add complexity, I'd steer clear of American 2 row. I'd go with munich, marris otter and/or Vienna. You can also add another crystal to the mix. Either way I wouldn't spend a whole hour mashing here. 30 min should do the job followed by a grain rinse.

    That said, if you've already got your recipe set up it looks tasty. I'd just save half an hour and mix up the grainbill a bit if you can.
     
  10. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I am mini mashing simply as a step towards doing all grain. I don't have the setup to go all grain, however I would like the practice, and I would like a more complex brew than I would get from straight extract brewing. Maybe I'll swap from 2 row to all crystal as well. Experience is the best teacher, and I have learned alot simply from my expeiments with malts and hops. More than I would get from simply reading anyway. I'm going to modify my recipie tonight and hopefully have an amended one up soon.
     
  11. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I'm not knocking minimashes by any means. I don't think I ever grasped how similar the process of steeping and mashing were until I went to AG. All you need to do is hold grain at a consistent temp until conversion is done. For crystals (and all grains a la extract brewing procedure) you're washing the sugar out. For mashing, you're working at the same temp range, and you're just waiting for conversion to finish up before the rinse. RDWHAHB :slight_smile:
     
  12. BigCheese

    BigCheese Initiate (0) Jul 4, 2009 Massachusetts

    I'll agree with everyone dont bitter with Amarillo, its a waste, I'd use chinook warrior or magnum for bittering, save the other 2 for late boil/flameout. Grain Bill looks ok, not sure what the point of minimashing with 2 row is, I'd stick to specialty malts or grains with more flavor(like marris otter), might as well use extract instead of 2 row.
     
  13. MaxSpang

    MaxSpang Initiate (0) Jan 28, 2011 Ohio
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    +1.

    Use some Magnum or something. Amarillo is precious, don't waste it on bittering.
     
  14. telejunkie

    telejunkie Savant (1,107) Sep 14, 2007 Vermont

    yet another voice to add to the din of don't use amarillo as a bittering addition...wouldn't use cascade or willamette either but would choose them over amarillo. Hope you have a lhbs to drop in & pick up something like a columbus/magnum/warrior etc... to add for bittering and toss the amarillo in late boil or dry hop. You'll be happy you did...there is a reason amarillo is such a hot commodity
     
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Cascade works fine as a bittering hop, but it doesn't have super high Alpha Acid content, so you'd use more hops (compared to many varieties) to get the IBUs you want. I'm not sure why you would hesitate to use magnum for a 35-40 IBU beer though.
     
  16. pweis909

    pweis909 Grand Pooh-Bah (3,250) Aug 13, 2005 Wisconsin
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    With munich, he should be minimashing.
     
  17. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    I've been playing with the idea of single hopping a few pales just to get a feel for the dynamics of said hop. I've also had single hop amarillo brews that I have loved. I don't have a scale, so I am trying to stick with a hop that I can use a straight ounce at 60 to get the IBU range I want, and from my math magnum gets my IBU's into the 60's at one ounce with an AA content of 12% and using amarillo and citra later in the boil. I may just buy a scale while I am up at the brewhut so I don't have this issue again. Also changed up my grain bill a little, so final recipie reads as such...
    6lbs lme
    2lb crystal 30l (dropped down from 40l simply to keep my color consistent with style guidelines)
    1lb munich
    1lb vienna
    1oz magnum @ 60 min
    1/2 oz citra @ 10 min
    1/2oz citra at flameout

    This puts me at @ 45 IBU, however with the purchase of a scale I will dial the magnum back a bit to bring them into the 30's. Also the modifications I have made to the grain bill bring my gravity up a little more, putting me at 1.060, so hopefully this will bring the IBU's down a tick and add more malt profile.
     
  18. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I think 2# of crystal is excessive in an APA. It will be a really sweet beer, if that's what you want. :slight_smile: I'd cut you off around 1#. You can back the IBUs down if you want. I usually shot for around 1.050-1.054 for gravity and usually around 40-45 IBU. That said, I've tried to make about 6 APAs before I was happy with the balance.
     
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