Biggest beer pet peeves

Exactly! That would be an add-junk IPA.

It's the new way.

 

And if it was brewed by Three Floyds or BrewDog it would be an add-junk punk IPA.

 

But context is all. A physicist has clear definitions of words like power ,force and energy. These words have other uses but these do not apply within the discipline.
We talk about the power of the air force.This is not measured in Watts and the air force is not measured in Newtons.

 

I think the point being made is within beer there is texhnical jargon and colloquial uses. It's unimportant for anyone that isn't a brewer to use the technical definition, generally speaking, as most of the time that it comes up in discussion individuals are referring to the colloquial use.

 

Whether it is unimportant or not depends upon the context.

A site devoted to the many facets of beer—including styles of beer, educational materials about beer, the history of beer, the enjoyment of beer, the sensory evaluation of beer, the subtleties of beer and it’s ingredients, etc.—is not a place where the technical usage should be ignored or disregarded.

If my colloquial usage of “hoosier” is “hick” or “ignorant boaster” (as it actually is in some parts of the US) should I go to Indiana, or to a convention where many folks are from Indiana, and use the word that way in public when talking to or about the locals or the folks from Indiana without expecting them to want me to use and think of Hoosier” as the term is used in Indiana?

 

Sometimes I enjoy the banter you and I have back and forth, and sometimes I feel like you nit-pick for the sake of doing it.

99% of he time I see people correct people for how they use the word adjunct, they could just let it go. Most people on here are not brewers and are not using or trying to use it in the way the technical jargon is intended for. I'd hope to god people would not correct people about such usage in real life. Probably the single silliest discussion I have seen played out nearly once every 2 months, and that's just the threads I read.

I'd never correct someone in person for using economic jargon the wrong way (short of being an academic setting). I'm not sure why anyone feels it necessary to correct people for using adjunct the wrong way. You know what they mean.

 

I don't know, I've been researching the US brewing industry for around 50 years and this "colloquial" (aka "incorrect") usage of the term "adjunct" only appeared in the last decade or so from what I can remember* - while the "technical" industry term was well-known and understood by any beer drinker with even a casual interest in the subject. Hell, there's even an well-accepted term for a beer "style" - American Adjunct Lager - that certainly does not describe a lager beer with fruit, nuts, herbs, spices or other flavorings.

 

Even if people don't correct you in person, you will be perceived as a novice.

 

People who say they love Belgian beers, and then name Stella Artois as their only example. It's like saying you like Mafia movies and citing "Analyze This" as a favorite.

It's been said before, but overly hoppy pale ales should just be called IPAs. They'd sell better if they were anyway, so just be honest.

Using pop culture references to sell your beer. Naming a beer after Big Lebowski or Always Sunny quotes without tying the ingredients or style to the source material is just a cheap marketing trick, and you know it, brewers!

Having beer served without a cup, not just because I'm a snob who needs "proper drinkware," but because pouring a beer releases a lot of the carbonation it's been bottled with. Getting that gas out makes the beer easier to drink and keeps your belly from bloating as badly, aside from tasting better too.

Pony bottles. You don't see them much anymore, but if you can't finish a 12oz beer alone or find someone to share it with, find a different vice.

Customers at my store who are shopping for their boyfriend but have no clue what beer he likes. So many indicators of a doomed relationship right there.

My favorite beers are often too expensive. I know, I know, but this thread is for "pet peeves," not "universal truths."

And finally, the American beer scene embodies all the worst stereotypes about Americans. Most Americans drink cheap, unsophisticated crap. Meanwhile, the craft beer scene thrives on explosive flavors, mad-scientist recipes, greed-fueled hype trains, and the same "bigger and newer!" cravings that fuel much of our culture.

 

What you don't see, however, is the number of times someone who is familiar with the correct usage just shrugs their shoulders and does let it go. That happens much more than you think.

Remember folks with brewing experience and/or knowledge about beer, its styles and its history participate in some of these forums and use the term in the context of beer and/or knowledge about beer, etc.. While you personally may feel a discussion of appropriate usage is a nit being picked, some of the other folks on this site do not. Especially when they see it causing confusion, misunderstanding and the promotion of misinformation.

Speaking from a personal persective I see many sillier discussions played out much more frequently than every 2 months.

 

I do it when necessary. In my mind, it is a problem. People are propagating incorrect ideas and that's decidedly not good.

Because they are using it incorrectly. Not because of some vernacular-based reason, but because they heard the word and associated it with something that it wasn't.

 

No they fucking shouldn't. Sure, they'd sell better, but calling a thing something that it isn't is part of the problem.

Agreed. Even if you do tie it to the reference it is knuckle-dragging idiocy at its finest. "Me like beer. Me also like TV show. Me name beer after TV show!!!"

Ehh . . . if you have an issue with drinking from the can or the bottle, you are, indeed, a snob and your reasoning for drinking from a glass is not unfounded, but it is pretty thin.

Newsflash . . . most Americans are horrible people. Not that there aren't assholes in other countries, but there is a very high concentration here. Don't get me wrong, I love the USA, but Americans are ruining it.

 

The problem is, no one wants to call it a "flavored stout" or a "flavored IPA" (Although I think it is most commonly used with stouts). Flavoring, as a term, engenders the idea that it is not real, but some fake additive. Adjunct conjures images of the augmentation of a beer - an ingredient added to enhance a flavor profile or otherwise add flavor via natural ingredient.

Adjunct being used in terms of stouts will not go away. -Especially when describing beers that have many additives and thus are heavy on that flavor profile. "Adjunct heavy" is a term people use to say the stout is heavily unused with some additional flavor ingredient. Even people I know that are home brewers don't like to say "I'm making a flavored stout," they prefer to say it has "x, y, and z adjuncts."

Incorrect or not, even after people learn, I don't believe it will go away. @drtth Yoh are correct, I cannot determine how many times people shrug it off. Just like an argument with a significant other, I don't think it's relevant that someone corrects someone ONLY 5% of the time. When it is clear what they are referring to, I don't think it matters if the usage is correct or not. You get the context, exact usage does not matter. We, generally, don't correct people on here for using other words incorrectly, only words like adjunct. I get this is a beer forum, but in general discussion sections where people are talking in a casual manor about something that does not involv brewing, if the context is clear, there's no need to correct. Even if it is not clear, you can ask without correcting. It's just unnecessary in my opinion. (I do appreciate the irony of me "correcting" those for "correcting" the people using the term incorrectly.)

 

"I'm a fan of IPAs! I definitely don't like ales, though." - India Pale What now?

"I like stouts. I hate porters, though." - The differences in flavor and process between those broad styles have been so slight in recent years(Edit - By American breweries, anyway) that attempting to categorize by flavor alone is damn near impossible, but OK.

Breweryname Lager (Ale in Texas) - Come on. I can get why the folks across the pond have a historical demarcation between Ales and Porters/Stouts, but Texas baffles me.

 

What's stopping people from just saying, "It's a stout with x, y, and z spices in it"? Even "Mexican Stout" or "Breakfast Stout" is more descriptive.

Being that as it may, it's STILL not the correct usage, so if "beer geeks" and especially homebrewers are using the term to refer to spiced beers, they are incorrect and come off as simpletons.

Correcting people when they are wrong is important, even if the context is obvious. Otherwise we'll just have a bunch of people running around saying incorrect stuff because people were afraid to offend them by correcting their mistake. Fuck that. If you wonder why the US is falling behind in technical pursuits, this is one of the reasons.

 

You realise that you are now making an argument that can be applied to say it's ok in a forum about history and life in Indiana for others to describe Hoosiers as hicks and ignorant boasters, and the folks from Indiana should just sit back and smile without objection...

 

You're making both a generalization about a group of people and categorizing them using derogatory terms. Using slang, I.e. "adjunct stout," is neither of those. It's commonplace how people use it. I understand what you're getting at, but it's not even slightly the same. What I am saying is much more comparable to regional uses of words for sodas, such as "coke" being a term referring to a soda rather than a "Coke-a-cola" specifically.

 

To add to this, any place that the server has to read you a list of whats on draft.
Bonus annoyance when they read just the Brewery name, as if Sam Adams only makes one beer.

 

Veteran? I prefer experienced. Don't you think someone with breadth and depth of knowledge is helpful? In most things?