Melvin Coming to CO

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  1. Dan_K

    Dan_K Pooh-Bah (1,980) Nov 8, 2013 Colorado
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    It used to be that harassment implied repeated behavior and a request/ statement of disapproval. One inappropriate act is not harassment. By your own statement, someone should be fired after one incident only if the recipient didn't like it- but if they do- no biggie.

    I work in an office setting with professionals. There have been incidents of bad behavior and they were dealt with in what (most people) view as an appropriate manner. One person was asked to transfer to a different office, which he did.

    To be clear, I have never grabbed a butt at work. I definitely don't plan on (potentially) throwing away my career because I can't keep my hands to myself.
     
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  2. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    Ummm, I work in an office setting with professionals as well. The behavior you're referencing wouldn't get someone fired because it was perceived as sexual harassment, but more than likely would get them fired because such behavior would be perceived and interpreted as a criminal act (assault, battery, whatever).

    I work in a Federal agency, where there's a fairly strict interpretation of what constitutes sexual harassment (but I think it's fairly consistent with your definition). I agree the action perpetrated by the Melvin employee doesn't constitute sexual harassment. Does it warrant him getting fired? I really can't answer that, though I tend to agree with some of the cynical (but likely accurate) comments made in this thread. In my experience, the farther up the food chain you are, the more likely that an act such as this will result in some lesser form of punishment (counseling, a fine, brief suspension, sensitivity classes, etc). If the employee in question had been a line cook or dishwasher, I feel fairly confident in saying that he/she would have likely received their pink slip the next day.
     
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  3. wyoming

    wyoming Initiate (0) Sep 4, 2007 Wyoming

    Apology and brew would be the start to mend fences ass. .. I wasn’t appmroving
    Of the grab ass but looking for a way to start improving relations in Bellingham .
     
    #1383 wyoming, Mar 14, 2018
  4. wyoming

    wyoming Initiate (0) Sep 4, 2007 Wyoming

    black flag probably grabs ass and never gives an apology
     
    #1384 wyoming, Mar 14, 2018
  5. southdenverhoo

    southdenverhoo Pooh-Bah (1,567) Aug 13, 2004 Colorado
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    black flag? Brewery or hip-hop collective? or punk band?
     
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  6. wyoming

    wyoming Initiate (0) Sep 4, 2007 Wyoming

    The asshole on this site ..Jake
     
    #1386 wyoming, Mar 14, 2018
  7. wyoming

    wyoming Initiate (0) Sep 4, 2007 Wyoming

    When in doubt rub one out Jake flag .. ur gonna end up in the pokie and they are gonna be grabbing ur ass !
     
    #1387 wyoming, Mar 14, 2018
  8. bentnorton

    bentnorton Initiate (0) Apr 21, 2015 Colorado

    Hmm, interesting turn.
     
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  9. JakeT469

    JakeT469 Initiate (0) Jan 13, 2012 Colorado

    Someone is a little upset. My feelings are hurt now.
     
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  10. poonamibaxter

    poonamibaxter Pundit (836) Jun 26, 2007 Colorado
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    What world do you live in? Have you seen who holds the highest office in the land and what he has bragged about grabbing or what he does? ?

    You should get a new job. It would be frowned upon where I work but no one would lose their job over it.

    I'm not condoning playing grab ass at the bar but that a lot of you think the man should lose his livelihood over it and a business should close(I think that is the point of a boycott which many here have called for) because of it is fucking laughable and sad at the same time. I haven't heard any other stories about him doing this so it doesn't appear that he is a habitual line stepper and they made everyone take some fucking horrible training we've all had to sit through. Can we move on now? The cat isn't getting fired and Melvin isn't closing, you won't get your pound of flesh out of this. What more do you want? Can the ones that want to beat this dead horse some more get your own thread to stay perched on your big white horse, a safe space of sorts? So the rest of us that really couldn't care less can discuss beer? RIIPA if you will.
     
    #1390 poonamibaxter, Mar 15, 2018
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  11. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    When's hop shocker dropping cuz that shit sounds good. I'll grab a can for sure. :sunglasses:
     
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  12. John_M

    John_M Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,849) Oct 25, 2003 Washington
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    I don't think anyone has suggested that Melvin should go out of business as a result of this one incident. Some folks have stated that they're unhappy with the way Melvin handled this, and some folks have expressed outrage over what transpired. I haven't heard anyone suggest that Melvin should go out of business as a result of this incident, though some folks have indicated they don't plan on buying any more Melvin products. Seems to me that if that's what they choose to do, that's their right. I don't have any quarrel with that decision.

    As for losing one's job over this, I stand by my original (cynical) impression. Regardless of whether it would be right or wrong to do so, I suspect that if the individual who perpetrated this act was a dishwasher or line cook (instead of someone listed on the website as co-founder), I think they likely would have lost their job over this.

    Personally, I'm in agreement with Terry on this (@beertunes).

    "He hasn't been fired, and his life hasn't been ruined. I don't think there are that many people who want that. America, after all, is a very forgiving nation. As long as people learn, and grow, folks are willing to let go of things. But, it takes time."

    For whatever its worth, that's pretty much how I see this as well.
     
    #1392 John_M, Mar 15, 2018
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  13. ManBearPat

    ManBearPat Pooh-Bah (1,813) Dec 2, 2014 Colorado
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    Yeah they released a statement of sorts on instabook (which I couldn’t copy/pasta) that was woke enough for me to be cool with buying they beer again.
     
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  14. southdenverhoo

    southdenverhoo Pooh-Bah (1,567) Aug 13, 2004 Colorado
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    I’m drinking a little less of it but only because the price went up and there’s so much good stuff at $9.99 right now.
     
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  15. wyoming

    wyoming Initiate (0) Sep 4, 2007 Wyoming

    Picked up 2x4 that’s February 7 .. drinking top shelf .. wide open slot for seasonal .. never met anybody that didn’t get a second chance .. I’m all in for Melvin .. I’m checking out .. will follow beer releases but not worth petty bullshit .. peace out .. #bringmeone2
     
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  16. southdenverhoo

    southdenverhoo Pooh-Bah (1,567) Aug 13, 2004 Colorado
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    im drinking a 2/7/18 IPAlien, fuck 3 day old beer this is fantastic!

    edit--wait they did a 2x4 and an IPAlien run on the same day? thats got to be a long day on the line...
     
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  17. rscot231

    rscot231 Zealot (579) Mar 11, 2008 Colorado

    I'm so confused by this lol. IPAlien is us (Odd13). 2x4 is @flyone or @MelvinBrewing_2x4 territory. Glad you like the beer though.
     
    #1397 rscot231, Mar 16, 2018
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  18. southdenverhoo

    southdenverhoo Pooh-Bah (1,567) Aug 13, 2004 Colorado
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    oh shit.
    lol
    ever do something really stupid, very publicly?
    [yikes i guess that actually is what the recent tangent of this thread is about]


    i do like the beer tho!
    Here's how stupid I am tonight--as I was drinking it I was very much thinking 'this thing is pretty NEIPA-ish for Melvin'
     
    #1398 southdenverhoo, Mar 16, 2018
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  19. poonamibaxter

    poonamibaxter Pundit (836) Jun 26, 2007 Colorado
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    When cooler heads prevail......you must got a joint.

    Good to see this thread get back on track.
     
    #1399 poonamibaxter, Mar 16, 2018
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  20. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    2X4 Day is coming!!
     
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