Might be time for another (personal) taste testing - Czech Pils

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  1. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    I haven't gotten around to trying Summit's Dakota Soul pils yet, but this blog posting at Summit has got me thinking... not about a Summit v Summit (Keller v Dakota) taste test (although I probably will at some point), but a Czech Pils tasting.

    Like my previous ones (most recently a tasting of each style in the Boundary Waters Box), it is purely for my own enjoyment (since I am hardly a qualified judge) to try several examples of a style side-by-side, and I'd like to focus on MN-brewed with one or two "control" beers to compare against the MN beers.

    Anyway, the musts for me in this will be Summit Dakota Soul, Utepils Pils, (both relatively new) and PIlsner Urquell (it is from the Plzeň in the Czech Republic, after all.)

    I would like to add AT MOST 3 more. Looking at the BA ratings for MN-brewed Czech Pils led to a couple of surprises... namely that two that are very highly rated are Tin Whiskers Brewing Parity Pilsner and Bauhaus Brew Labs Wonderstuff... neither of which were even in my thoughts.

    So, I'm looking for input / advice / suggestions. Here is the list of possibles I've come up with to add to my first 3:
    • Tin Whiskers Brewing Parity Pilsner
    • Bauhaus Brew Labs Wonderstuff Neü Bohemian Pilsner
    • Fulton Brewing Company Fulton Pils
    • August Schell Brewing Schell's Pils
    • Bell's Brewery, Inc. Lager Of The Lakes (just to include an out-of-MN Midwest brewer as a control)
    Any others?

    A 4-beer tasting would be more manageable than 6, so if you have a suggestion for the 1 beer to add to my 3, I'd be interested in that as well.

    Note: I am keeping this to Czech-style (aka Bohemian) pilsners, so no German or Vienna styles, please.

    Oh yeah, one more thing... they need to be in distribution to liquor stores; no tap-only or growler-only beers.

    I'd appreciate anyone who takes the time to read & respond!

    Cheers!
     
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  2. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    I'd vote for Lager of the Lakes since its a quite well done Czech/Bohemian pilsner, but I understand if you want to keep it in MN. If you keep it MN, then any of those you listed look good.

    Tagging @steveh as he may also have some good suggestions.
     
  3. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    You know my vote is for Ayinger Bavarian Pils, but don't forget that SN Summerfest is due out soon.

    *Edit: Didn't see:
    Note: I am keeping this to Czech-style (aka Bohemian) pilsners, so no German or Vienna styles, please.

    My only push back on that is that there are so many Ami Pilsners that label themselves as "Bohemian," but are closer to German than anything else (Lager of the Lakes being one of them).
     
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  4. cheeseheadinMinneapolis

    cheeseheadinMinneapolis Pooh-Bah (2,011) Sep 20, 2017 Wisconsin
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    Lazy Monk, Eau Claire WI,
    there are plenty of different Czech Pils brewed in WI. But you want to keep the sample quantity down. Plisners really aren't my cup of tea. So I don't know which is the best or the better ones
     
  5. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Thanks for the input, everyone.

    One of the benefits (to me) of doing this is a bit of education about the style. To that end, I was looking to the PIlsner Urquell to be the style benchmark, but that is a risk with imported beers (age, storage conditions, etc.)

    Any suggestions on an American-brewed dead-on to style that is available in MN? How close to style is SN Summerfest, for example? Or Shell's Pils?
     
  6. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    If you can find it - the canned Pilsner Urquell has been pretty fresh around here - so you might have some luck finding it fresh in that format.
     
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  7. grantcty

    grantcty Savant (1,016) Feb 17, 2008 Minnesota
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    Pilsner Urquell has a best by date that is 9 months from when it was packaged and is easily found. Additionally, it's supposed to be kept refrigerated by the distributor/importer, but who really knows for sure. I'd say those things will help you in your quest for finding some in reasonably good shape. The condition of the Pils Urquell (purchased from a few different places) I drink is usually pretty good.

    I'd also suggest adding Czechvar to your tasting, just to add another take from the 'home' country. Finding this fresh may be an issue, however

    I don't think Schell's Pils is a Czech-style pilsner. I think it's more of a German take.
     
  8. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Schells markets it as a Bohemian pilsner - which generally implies the Czech style. When I last had it, granted the bottle was a bit long in the tooth, but I thought it was close to a Czech style pilsner. Especially in the hop profile and it lacked the breadiness of the German pilsners.
     
  9. grantcty

    grantcty Savant (1,016) Feb 17, 2008 Minnesota
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    Care to share where they market it as such?

    EDIT: Here's their new label for it. You'll note the 'Bavarian-style' listed underneath the 'Pils' :wink:
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  10. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    From Schell's web site:

    "Schell’s Pils is a shining example of the true European Pilsner style beer. Brewed with 100 percent barley malt, where the Sterling Hop flavor is showcased. Its full hop characteristic and delicate aroma were developed in Pilsen, Bohemia around 1840. This style was widely copied by early American breweries. Over the years, however, it has been lost to the much lighter-bodied, low-hopped relatives."

    I was going by the style listed for the beer on this site. Schell's has certainly confused the issue by labeling it as a Bavarian-style pilsner while referencing Pilsen, Bohemia in their description.
     
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  11. grantcty

    grantcty Savant (1,016) Feb 17, 2008 Minnesota
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    Definitely agree that their wording can be confusing. My reading of that description is that it is describing the general style--the beer style we recognize as Pilsner, which was developed/created/originated in Pilsen, Bohemia.
     
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  12. grantcty

    grantcty Savant (1,016) Feb 17, 2008 Minnesota
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    Then whoever entered it into the database was wrong. Not the first time someone has entered the wrong style for a beer.

    I don't think they've confused the issue at all with their label--If anything, I'd say that they've clarified it.
     
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  13. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Yeah, I know. But I was not inclined to actually research every listed beer, at least not until it made my final list.

    Given Shell's heritage, it being a German pilsner does make more sense.
     
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    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    @grantcty - @MNAle posted what I was reading when I was referencing them marketing it at a bohemian pilsner. In light of your comments and going back and re-reading it, wow, you are totally right. I just misread that - and with the "Bavarian-Style" on the new label that makes it much clearer. The label on the last one I drank did not specify Bavarian:
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    Now, I am questioning my perception of the beer - I need to go back and retry (a fresh bottle of) this.
     
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  15. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
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    Not sure if you did it as well, but I submitted a change request for the style.
     
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  16. cheeseheadinMinneapolis

    cheeseheadinMinneapolis Pooh-Bah (2,011) Sep 20, 2017 Wisconsin
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  17. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    All in the interest of science, of course! :wink:
     
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  18. grantcty

    grantcty Savant (1,016) Feb 17, 2008 Minnesota
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    @FBarber Schell's has really pushed its 'German-ness' in recent years (especially with their 'German Craft' marketing in response to the Brewer's Association 'revoking' Schell's status as a craft brewery)

    Even before that, they've never shied away from their German heritage in their beers (once they started making 'craft' offerings) and marketing and it just never struck me that they'd make a Pils that would be in the mold of the Czech pils-style rather than a German one.
     
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  19. morimech

    morimech Grand Pooh-Bah (3,803) Nov 6, 2006 Minnesota
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    Oskar Blues Mama's Little Yellow Pils is pretty good for something not from MN. I am one of the few that liked Rebel Pils from the Czech Republic but I cannot recall seeing it in recent memory and age will be an even bigger issue than with Pilsner Urquell.

    I am surprised that Wonderstuff is listed as a Czech Pils. I would call it a German Pils meaning German Pils is a more wide open interpretation of the style.
     
  20. islay

    islay Savant (1,211) Jan 6, 2008 Minnesota

    Here's the standard link for these "best of the style in Minnesota" posts. I'll also reiterate that anyone avoiding beers that aren't distributed in liquor stores is missing out on the majority of the best beers in the state, regardless of style.

    I'll mention 12welve Eyes Trillsner, crowlers of which are available at some Twin Cities-area liquor stores, as a standout example of the style.

    Does a Czech pilsner require Saaz hops? If so, Wonderstuff doesn't fit the bill. If not, I'd tend to say it does. It's a very good beer regardless.
     
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