Culturing Yeast from High Alcohol Beer

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  1. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Just finished a bottle of L’Abbaye de Saint Bon-Chien, which is a sour Bière de Garde from BFM. There was a lot of yeast sediment in the bottom of the bottle, so I figured I'd try to culture it. Then I remembered it's 11%.

    So, is this a fruitless endeavor? Would I need to brew something high octane as well? Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated. Cheers all.
     
  2. cmac1705

    cmac1705 Zealot (517) Apr 30, 2010 Florida

    It can be done. It just may take several generations to get good, healthy yeast. I'd start with 1.020 wort for the first generation, then 1.040 from there on out. Nutrient doesn't hurt either.

    IIRC I've done this with RR beers using 3:1 wort to unfiltered apple juice. This was per the recommendation of Vinnie Cilurzo, their owner/brewer.
     
  3. WickedSluggy

    WickedSluggy Savant (1,129) Nov 21, 2008 Texas

    It's very possible that you will culture viable yeast, but unless you are sure that a yeast was not pitched strictly for carbonation, I wouldn't use it to ferment a clone. High alcohol beers that are bottle conditioned are often conditioned with yeast that was not used for the main fermentation. In fact many beers are conditioned using different strains than the primary one used for fermentation.
     
  4. good_gracious

    good_gracious Initiate (0) Aug 19, 2012 Maryland

    Any idea what strains would be used in this case? I'm assuming you'd need something that would ferment extremely clean (us05, wlp001, etc) but perhaps it's something different entirely?
     
  5. WickedSluggy

    WickedSluggy Savant (1,129) Nov 21, 2008 Texas

    Ideally you want a floculent strain with the capacity to condition. The beer is already fermented. Unless it is highly agressive it shouldnt change the beer's character.
     
  6. FeDUBBELFIST

    FeDUBBELFIST Pooh-Bah (1,765) Oct 31, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Thanks for all of the great responses so far.
    I don't know if they use separate strains for fermenting and conditioning, but I just emailed the brewer to find out. I'll post his response when it comes in. I might just give it a go in the meantime. There isn't a whole lot to lose.
     
  7. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    I know I like to cut expences as much as the next guy when brewing. I think a lot of people forget that yeast is 6 bucks a pack (minus ordering online or gas to the LHBS). How much time, energy, apple juice, so on so forth is it worth to you?
     
  8. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    People like trying different things. Oh yeah and a smack pack costs me $13
     
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  9. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    No kidding? I was recently in Ontario and with the dizzying array of taxes I was paying on everything, I thought you Canucks must be getting your smack packs for free. :slight_smile:
     
  10. kjyost

    kjyost Initiate (0) May 4, 2008 Canada (MB)

    It's unbelievable sometimes, but at least it's all "FREE". Seriously my car insurance which can only be purchased via the government monopoly is now being used to fund road repairs...

    But at least the beer is cheap. No wait, it isn't. That's why I first started homebrewing and now do it because I can't find good examples of most styles. And to answer your other question, I don't believe there are restrictions on homebrewing, just distillation...
     
  11. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    Depends on the strain. Brett, Lacto, Pedio, all $12 for a smack pack, but yogurt is only $0.70, and I can drink a great Brett only beer for nearly $12 and culture the yeast myself... at least that way I get a great beer with the yeast instead of a smelly foil package.
     
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  12. inchrisin

    inchrisin Pooh-Bah (2,013) Sep 25, 2008 Indiana
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    Where do you buy plain yogurt for $.70. I have to buy a bath tub full for $4! Granted I'd try to find a way to cook with it afterwards. Butter Chicken sounds pretty good for dinner tonight.
     
  13. jbakajust1

    jbakajust1 Pooh-Bah (2,552) Aug 25, 2009 Oregon
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    I get the single serving Zoi fat free for around that price @ Winco. Used it to make my own yogurt as well as to culture lacto for brewing. One big problem I had on the last culture was that I used straight sugar water and let it go at 110 but that yogurt has Sacc in it as well and it is straight nail polish remover. I'm probably going to culture the Lacto from Oakshire's Hellshire II since that has too be some crazy bacteria to hit that beer with as highly hopped it is as well as that high an alcohol.
     
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