No Rules will not be distributed this year

Undoubtedly. The entire thing has been an exercise in weirdness. However...

I said this before, but I'll reiterate here: regardless of this guy's actions, I doubt they sold all of their production. Either that or they didn't really make as much as in previous years.

Agree to disagree, I suppose.

To trade for a bottle, I have to create a post on the trading forums or on Facebook or whatever, wait to match-up with someone who wants to trade No Rules, negotiate over a fair exchange, and then either ship or meet up with somewhere to get the bottle.

What I had to do to get a bottle this year was: message the guy who had posted the offer with the number of bottles I wanted, send payment, meet up to get the bottle.

I realize that finding an acceptable bottle probably isn't super difficult, but it's more work than doing the basic equivalent of online shopping. I agree that the effort is significant on his end, but for me, it's undeniably easier to place an order than to go through the logistics of lining up and completing a trade. Not to mention the fact that most of the bottles I have laying around are bottles I want to drink. I'm not really in the business of just keeping surplus bottles around for trades. So a trade means I'm either trading something I had planned on drinking or going to a store and buying something to trade. Both seem insane compared to "Hey, I want X bottles. Here's some dough. Where can I pick it up?"

The level of crazy in this comment...

I'm not propping anyone up. I'm observing that offering to go somewhere and bring back beers for cost is doing people a favor. There are a few ticks on the spectrum between "guy doing people a favor" and "community activist". My point was that his behavior is a stark contrast to the "I'm gonna pay a homeless guy $20 to wait for a bottle that I will then sell for 20x what I paid him" types. Or the "My underage child got a ticket at the Bourbon County Black Friday release, but rather than just throw it away, I'm going to sell that ticket to someone else in line" types.

I'm not criticizing the homeless people, as I've previously said. I'm criticizing the shitlords who know damn well that they are taking advantage of those people so they can turn around and flip a bottle for maxprofitz. I never thought I would run across someone on BA defending the practice of using homeless people to circumvent bottle limits, but here we are.

I'm also definitely not making any statements about what I think homeless people should or shouldn't do or the best way society can help them, since that seems hilariously off topic for this thread. I do, however, find line-waiting as a legit source of income for homeless people to be laughable.

We don't need soup kitchens! Look at all the money to be made as professional line waiters for beer shitlords!

Good lord, man.

Also no problem with Angry Chair or Perrin (outside of thinking their decision to supposedly eliminate distro and build hype is quizzical at best). The topic here was the lengths to which beer fans will go for beer. In other words - the guy in line at Binny's on Black Friday selling his underaged child's ticket in line, the shitlords paying homeless people a pittance compared to guy saying "I'm going to this release anyway--I'll pick up bottles for people at cost".

I tend to agree with this assessment. I won't be shocked to see No Rules show up in their non-Michigan markets. And I think we all know the holiday packs are coming again this year.

 

Are we sure the U-Haul driver's name wasn't Shitty Bill?

 

Trading isn't really anywhere near as hard as all the rest of the wall-o-text and really is quite comparable to what you did with this guy, as you don't have to create a post to find a satisfying trade.

Again, what is this, an argument to deny them their right to profit off of this? I mean seriously, your criticism reeks of privilege.

You're not going to stop homeless people from profiting from other people that want to pay them to stand in line for them. What, should those people pay them the full secondary value when all is said and done? If so, then the homeless people should and could and can stand in line to put those bottles up for auction themselves. In fact, some of them did, but I believe I mentioned, they didn't get nearly as much as they should have had they done their research. That's the hazard, no matter who you are.

I mean, you're complaining about "shitlords," because you don't like what is being done with the beer after it's acquired, and you don't agree with how much money the homeless are being compensated for their time. Are you arguing for a minimum wage for line waiting now? But this No Rules guy isn't a shitlord because he's not homeless, he "volunteered" to do it first instead of answered a paying request, and because he's buying pallets of beer, in part, for you?

It's all the same--it doesn't matter how it started, who the initiator is, and how it finishes. Everyone doing all of this is doing it to get beers into the hands of other people, whatever their ulterior motives.

You obviously don't see it this way, but to me, the guy in this case is king shitlord of all shitlords if ever there was one.

I'm not about to draw the line at homeless mules, or grandmules, but then erase the line for supermule extrordinaire here. That would be the very definition of hypocrisy.

I'm not arguing for or against anything, just calling this guy out for what he is, a douchebag king shitlord supermule extrordinaire, and tool If you want to make it your prerogative to defend His stainless honor...while simultaneously dragging the damn profiteering homeless scoundrel hoards(!) into it...by all means...

 

I've heard a couple of things. One....only about half of No Rules was really sold on Saturday, despite Perrin posting that it was in fact "sold out", and I saw reports of some people leaving empty handed. I saw another post where a server indicated that more could pop up at the pub on random/special occasions. To me none of it adds up either. I had a prior commitment and couldn't make it over until late in the day or possibly Sunday. I figured it would be available at the pub forever. I would have for sure used supermule had I known about his community service project and knew how this would all go from Perrin's end. In addition to mad profitz, "protecting the brand" to me says they want this to be an elite beer (making "no rules day" kind of sound like dark lord day or hunah day), and it's hard to do that when it's turding around on shelves in some places. So no distro, Perrin can control how much and where it sits. There's no way it all sold out, or there's no way they made as much as last year unless a significant amount had to be dumped for some reason.

 

No, that's not what this is. I can't make it any simpler for you, although methinks you'd still find something to argue with even if I did.

I mean seriously, your response reeks of someone just looking to argue. I'm not telling homeless people what they can or can't do. This is the third time I've said this.

Yet you continue to focus on what the homeless people should be allowed to do:

Frankly, I'm stupefied by this response. I know arguing for the sake of arguing is kind of your "thing" around here, but FFS.

You literally said that everyone is doing this for the same reason no matter what their motive. Aside from not making sense, given that reason and motive are effectively synonyms in this context, I promise that the people paying the homeless for extra beers to sell at 20x the profit don't give a flying fuck about "getting beers into the hands of other people".

And that's the point--that motive matters. That there is a difference between conducting oneself only to one's own benefit and doing something that inconveniences oneself to the benefit of others. This is grade school level shit.

Honestly, I'm not personally bothered by secondary. It is what it is. You want to fly down to Florida and camp out overnight and sell some bottles to pay for your trip or get some extra spending cash? More power to you.

But if you look at that opportunity and decide that it's a good idea to find a group of people that are notoriously hard up for money, then pay them a small fraction of what you know you are going to make selling a bottle, then yeah, I'm pretty confident in saying you're a shitty person.

It's amazing to me that there's anyone out there willing to debate this concept.

I don't even know the guy. Maybe he's a shitty person in real life. I just think anyone who thinks he's any of the things you just reeled off based on the fact that he's proxying a bunch of beer for people is probably a massive tool themselves.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

I saw those reports too. And holy shit. If that's true, that is unfathomably terrible.

The idea that you would turn away present and paying customers to artificially constrain supply is mind-boggling.

 

I’m not disagreeing with your overall post, just that this part made me think “hmmm, that sounds an awful lot like how many corporations, CEOs and boards make money”. You kinda summed up part of our society in a way there.

 

"I'm sorry, we are going to have to let 15% of you go to make budget and when we make budget I get a $5 mil bonus!!!!"

 

I was actually listening to a public radio broadcast lastnight where someone was trying to sumarize marxist views that laborers are taken advantage of. Why? Because companies make profit, and if profit exists, labor is being undervalued.

This is a crazy way to think about labor value and markets. That's just not what that means/how that works.

Not criticizing your post, just also thought something similar as I read the quote as well.

 

No, it does not.

In other words: "to all you Tampa slobs, stop paying homeless people to do this, and do it yourself!"

You do realize the only result of this is someone is out a half day of PTO, and another (homeless) person is out ~$20-$100, or more?

You're not going to stop any of this with this persistent, holier than thou rant.

The stereotypes flung around by people at AC got pretty vulgar in short order, and your rant against this practice, which is far more rare than you seem to believe it is, comes quite close to sounding like what the re-liners around us sounded like. They're okay with running to the back of the line to get another allotment, even though people behind them (us) may get shut out due to their strategy. But homeless people, aw hell nah!

"Oh look, there's a black guy with wild dreads and a messy backpack, he must be homeless and muling. There's two guys looking like bums, not looking anyone in the eye, and don't even look like they want to be here, must be mules! They should stop these people from buying these beers! Oh, look, there's a girl, she must not like beer, she has lady parts."

So...what next...start turning away people for not looking like beer geeks. No women allowed?

And neither of those things happened in any of these instances being discussed here.

Because you've involved yourself in this guys endeavors, you're painting him with a broad, vibrant brush of innocence. If you think he's performing a charitable service, you should probably look into it a little further. This absurd stunt stinks a lot worse than a homeless person buying a single fucking bottle of beer.

There's one thing that's for certain, he's definitely a shitlord.

 

Fucking fuck fucking fuck fuck.

Private messages are The Win.

 

I mean...that's one more post you added...lol! This thread is about No Rules not being distributed, and has been about a shitlord taking advantage of Perrin not setting limits for the past who knows how many pages...seems pretty on topic to me.

 

I wouldn't know. I've growen too accustomed to your posts being TLDR . I see a wall of text and move on.

 

Doesn't Michigan have a very strict 3 tier system like Minnesota? I know here if someone not employed by the brewery were distributing beer it would most definitely be illegal prepaid or not.

 

Likewise

Oh look, another notification for ya!

 

Doesn't that kind of make sense though? In order to make profit the company has to pay the labor less than the actual value of the product.

 

Guys, this really is the kind of posting we need in the Dark Lord thread. Please direct all posts that may get a rise out of someone to that thread.

 

I forgot about shitty Bill, what an excrement name... oops, I mean excellent

 

The king of TLDR criticizing someone else for being long winded ....

That my friend is priceless!