Sony sues Knee Deep Brewing over "Breaking Bud"

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  1. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    Bad Sonny.
     
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  2. deleted_user_1111368

    deleted_user_1111368 Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2016 Delaware

    Back in the early 2000's, I received a C&D from a MLB baseball team because I used the team name on my website. It was a forum, with links to team stories and news. The C&D was delivered via email from my link on the site, and was very strong in their wording (aka: intimidating). I could no longer keep the name, any photo's, or likenesses..from that point forward. If chose to continue, I would be subject to legal litigation. Being a 40 hour workweek schmuck with a wife and kids, I took the site down.

    KD should be aware that Sony has spent a lot of time in court over the years. They have been on both sides of the line.. and quite frankly, don't appear to be the most honest in their own business practices. They've been caught using Rootkit software on their music CD's and sued for price fixing et al.

    After the rootkit incident, I stopped buying anything Sony.

    This whole thing brings up the question.. if Sony can sue KD for the BB parody.. has anyone ever sued the makers of **** movies, who parody Hollywood movies all over the place?
     
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  3. gueuzegeek

    gueuzegeek Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2003 New Jersey

    It never ceases to amaze me how the bigger the company, the more likely they are to come after things like this! If anything, it keeps the show at the fore of people’s memories and reminds them to watch it!
     
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  4. gueuzegeek

    gueuzegeek Initiate (0) Aug 11, 2003 New Jersey

    Fantastic last point!
     
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  5. Brian_Veldhouse

    Brian_Veldhouse Initiate (0) Nov 6, 2014 Michigan

    Really? More lawsuits and lawyers over this? And suing a craft beer company over a simple label? Good job setting your l sites high. You look pretty dumb. Good luck offsetting your legal costs. Geez!
     
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  6. letshaveonemore

    letshaveonemore Initiate (0) Nov 13, 2014 Missouri

    Does SONY or whoever really think that we, the consumers, are so stupid that we will buy the beer thinking it's made by a TV show? Or sponsored, or promoted by it? Do any of us think that would make the beer worth buying, or taste better? I'm sure everyone on this site is far smarter than that. This "confusion" arguement is bogus.

    A local brewery, Martin City Brewing, brews a "Hard Way IPA", that poked a bit of fun at A-B for their advertisement. A-B sued them and lost. Heh, heh, Goliath takes a fall! I toast them every time I have one of those beers, and a good IPA it is.
     
  7. Brewday

    Brewday Zealot (721) Dec 25, 2015 New York

    There's a show called Breaking Homicide. I wonder if they'll be sued too.
     
  8. Jugs_McGhee

    Jugs_McGhee Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,140) Aug 15, 2010 Texas
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    Interests me as a person intrigued by language.

    Aside from the vague suggestion that the beer is probably hoppy imparted by the biological link between cannabis and hops (which isn't well-known to the layman consumer anyway), the name "Breaking Bud" doesn't actually pull its weight in terms of giving consumers information about the product in an appealing way. Frankly, it's a name better suited to a cannabis strain sold commercially in a Colorado dispensary - and it has the stoner (lack of) originality thereof.

    Even increasingly tired pun-based names like "Hoptimum," "Hoptologist," "Hopothermia" (et al.) are at least obvious in their advertising.
     
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  9. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    If Knee Deep could afford to fight this, they could win if they had any record of the earlier communication from Sony where they raised no issue and seemed to applaud the name emulation. That and the length of time taking no action when they knew about it does not bode well for Sony.

    At this point - after the show is long cancelled - the beer is even more of a promotion than it was when the show was still being made, so Sony would benefit from dropping the suit. That said, fewer and fewer people will get the connection so Knee Deep will likely end up renaming or dropping the beer instead of putting a lawyer's kids through college.
     
  10. ThinBlueLine

    ThinBlueLine Initiate (0) Aug 23, 2014 New Jersey

    Seems this is going to come down to who has the best lawyers. My money is on Hollywood.
     
  11. leantom

    leantom Initiate (0) Nov 20, 2011 Indiana

    I actually don't think Sony has a legitimate case. Trademark infringement is determined by consumer confusion (i.e., if a mark confuses consumers as to the source of the goods or services, then the original mark holder can sue the infringer). This usually happens when competitors, or at least two companies in the same industry, have a similar mark attached to similar goods or services.

    I don't see how Sony could argue that consumers would think that the beer originates from it.

    For further reference, these are the factors courts consider when determining trademark infringement:

    1. Similarity of the marks.
    2. Strength of the plaintiff's mark.
    3. Relatedness of products/services.
    4. Defendant's intent (i.e., whether he sought to deceive consumers).
    5. Actual confusion.
    6. Purchaser sophistication.

    The most important factors for determining confusion are 3, 4, and 5. All favor the defendant.
     
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  12. CHL

    CHL Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2009 Illinois

    This isn't as difficult to show as you think.

    Blue Ice Heisenberg Vodka, licensed by Sony.
    Ommegang Game of Thrones beers, licensed by HBO.

    Hard to say whether there will be evidence of actual confusion before discovery. Consumers are often confused about amazingly dumb things, and I wouldn't bet on it. Moreover the Ninth Circuit's tests, Sleekcraft, weighs slightly differently, and strength of the mark is an important factor.
     
  13. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    ... on more issues than trademark law!
     
  14. CHL

    CHL Initiate (0) Mar 27, 2009 Illinois

    This isn't as difficult to show as you think.

    Blue Ice Heisenberg Vodka, licensed by Sony.
    Ommegang Game of Thrones beers, licensed by HBO.

    Probably won't know if there's evidence of likelihood of confusion until discovery (more likely, ever, because discovery expensive enough to settle out). Moreover the Ninth Circuit's tests, Sleekcraft, weighs slightly differently, and strength of the mark is one of the most important factors.
     
  15. Lahey

    Lahey Initiate (0) Nov 12, 2016 Michigan

    Sounds like they're gonna be knee deep in legal fees :stuck_out_tongue:
     
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  16. oldbean

    oldbean Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    And it’ll be a way better beer but no one will drink it.
     
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  17. cronimi

    cronimi Aspirant (292) Jan 28, 2009 North Carolina

    In other words, a parody of a parody beer.
     
  18. cronimi

    cronimi Aspirant (292) Jan 28, 2009 North Carolina

    Is a beer's name obligated to 'pull its weight in terms of giving consumers information about the product'? There are a multitude of beer names that are slapped on the side of a can/bottle that have no relation to the contents of the vessel. And if you're tired of pun-based names, I would think you'd welcome a name that does not go down that road (though I will point out that Breaking Bud is, in fact, a pun -- though without using 'hop').
     
  19. JoePasko

    JoePasko Zealot (529) Mar 10, 2018 New York

    Seems reasonable to me that the brewery should have to stop using the name. But I don't agree that they should have to pay any money to Sony Pictures.
     
  20. Jugs_McGhee

    Jugs_McGhee Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,140) Aug 15, 2010 Texas
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    No, no it isn't.

    Yes, I would welcome a name that does not rely on a cheap pun. And you're right: "Breaking Bud" is exactly one such name.

    "Breaking Bud" is neither an informative nor a clever or inventive moniker for a beer. But I imagine someone thought it was clever, and I can't figure out why. The connection to cannabis is too tenuous, and the pun utilized is too cheap.
     
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