Automated Stirstick

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  1. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    Yeah I saw that, but concerned that she never posted the final product in action. Plus that is too professional looking compared to the one I posted. Something about all those silicon spatulas sticking out of the rod, simple mesmerizing.
     
  2. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Here's her follow-up where she uses the stirrer.



    I agree that she goes to a lot of trouble with this stirrer.
     
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  3. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    For the win, would rather clean that one vs the one I posted. Would prob have used clear piece of plexiglass vs wood for easier cleanup and viewing what is going on
     
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  4. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Plexiglass is a great idea. Also easier to clean.
     
  5. sarcastro

    sarcastro Savant (1,133) Sep 20, 2006 Michigan

    I can third this. Prechiller didnt work very well, while recirculating ice water worked very well. This is what I do if I brew lagers in the summer. I mostly just brew them in the spring.
     
  6. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    I use a paddle and my drill to get 10 gallons from about 150 to pitching temp in 5 or 10 minutes. Ive never had hot side aeration issues because its a stainless shaft with some kind of plastic aeration wand so i cant use it from the get go. But in my experience its easy to get down to 150
     
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  7. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Do you have a way of mounting the drill or do you hand-hold it?
     
  8. chavinparty

    chavinparty Zealot (653) Jan 4, 2015 New Hampshire

    I hand hold it and my biggest concern using it is that my drill is dirty because i use it for work and the wort creates a vortex so i should look into rigging up a dedicated drill. the trigger would be as simple as a spring clamp. Would be nice to not have to stand there for 5 minutes. Still amazing how fast it chills because if i let run without stirring it takes close to an hour
     
  9. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    It's particularly important for me to try to automate it since I mostly brew lagers, and I have to get the temperature down as low as possible (45 F is ideal). Stirring makes a HUGE difference, but even so, it might take over an hour to get it down to even 55F, even with a pre-chiler sitting in a bucket of ice. That's a long time standing there stirring. Also, I don't want to stir it too hard during that hour to avoid oxidation of the wort (an hour of cooling, another half hour to an hour to disconnect the water, transfer it, bring it down to the basement, and get it ready for the yeast). I know the wort needs oxygen for the yeast, but I have read that the best time to add oxygen is just when you add the active yeast.
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I used to use a pre-chiller and had exactly the same frustration. I can tell you ditching the pre-chiller and going with recirculating ice water using a cheap pond pump made a huge difference. When I use the ice water pump, I get down to lager pitching temps in about 20 minutes or less, in the PA summer. I think others here can also attest to pre-chillers being not particularly efficient and the difference with recirculation.
     
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  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Too late to edit, so I'll add here: Going back through the thread, I see that the ice water recirculation pump idea has already been discussed.

    Curious though what you mean about "sanitizing" the pump. When you recirculate ice water through an immersion chiller, the pump doesn't need to be sanitized. Or are you using the pump to do a whirlpool?

    If the latter, I would highly recommend trying it as an ice water recirculator, and forget about whirlpooling (unless you want to whirlpool for hop flavor/aroma purposes).
     
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  12. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Initially, I was talking about using the pump to recirculate the wort. That allowed the wort to chill much more rapidly and easier than manually using a stir stick, but it still wasn't able to chill the wort down far enough, even when I was using a pre-chiller (which is almost useless - might make the difference of a couple of degrees at most). It also was a pain to try to sanitize and prime the pump and hoses, so I gave up on the pump and went back to manual stirring.

    But since then, I like the suggestion of using a cheap pump to circulate ice water through the immersion chiller after the wort has chilled to say about 70 F. I recently purchased a cheap immersible pump (216 gallons per hour). Now all I need to do is to be able to attach it somehow to my existing immersion chiller. I went to a hardware store yesterday looking for a male brass hose end, but unfortunately they didn't have any in stock. I'll try another hardware store. Are these pumps (like the 9W 216 gallons per hour) powerful enough to pump the water through 50 feet of copper coil plus another 25 feet of pre-chiller copper coil? Do you have a picture of how you connected the pump to the chiller?
     
  13. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Here's a pic of my pump, with specs printed on it. I don't know if your 216 Gallons Per Hour is fast enough. Someone else hopefully will know. Mine has a male garden hose end connector (can't see it in picture). My immersion chiller and utility sink also have garden hose end connectors. I would not recommend keeping your pre-chiller in line between the pump and your wort chiller... it basically will just be adding resistance to the flow.
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    Here are the connectors on the chiller.
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  14. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Thanks, @VikeMan, seems like the same type of connection I was aiming for. Yes, mine is quite small and works out to less than 4 gallons per minute, but with the friction will likely be much less. I'll have to try it and see how it works.
     
  15. KeyWestGator

    KeyWestGator Savant (1,159) Jan 21, 2013 Florida
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    I’ll echo just about all of what vikeman said. Prechillers are useless. You need to recirculate ice water. After a couple different pond pumps from Home Depot wouldn’t cut it, I bought the following that was about the same price and much more power:
    https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0009XB7M8?psc=1&ref=yo_pop_mb_pd_title
    It also has a garden hose fitting. You still want to keep all hoses as short as possible to lower resistance. I also put the reservoir (5 gallon bucket) at the same level as my kettle so it doesn’t have to pump vertically as much. With your water temps probably much colder than mine, you probably won’t have to switch to it until later. I switch at around 100-110, which is when the needle on my kettle theremometer starts to crawl. You’ll need less ice too.
     
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  16. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

  17. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yeah. But out of pocket health care costs are quite reasonable.
     
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  18. minderbender

    minderbender Initiate (0) Jan 18, 2009 New York

    Well also, are both prices in U.S. dollars? If the Canadian price is in Canadian dollars, that's more like $44 vs. $69, which is still a big difference, but not quite so dramatic.
     
  19. OldBrewer

    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

    Good point! Far more than reasonable.
     
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    OldBrewer Maven (1,385) Jan 13, 2016 Canada (ON)

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