Should Grisette be its own style?

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  1. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Yeah, but what defines "research."
    Is it trading for and then drinking a Side Project "grisette"?
    Is it reading the Hors Catégorie Brewing blog? (Perhaps you see that as license enough?).
    Is it drinking a "genuine" grisette? (How forgiving would we be if an American brewer made an IPA, but never drank one? In this case, no grisette brewers were ever grisette drinkers.)

    If it's really "doing the research," then perhaps only Yvan De Baets, Dave Janssen, Stan Hieronymus, and Phil Markowski should be given license. What do they have to say about it?

    Dave Janssen: "there is very little information out there about it"
    Yvan De Baets: "overall there is very little information available. It means no one really knows what a grisette is or was"

    I actually like the Cory King quote I highlighted in that there is no pretense. It's transparent. Here's another brewer's opinion:
    "Why not?" I have my reasons. I understand why a lot of people will never agree with me though. "Why?" is a better question.
     
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  2. oldbean

    oldbean Initiate (0) Jun 30, 2005 Massachusetts

    No. It's fine. Everything is fine. Have a beer and calm down already.
     
  3. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
    BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    Let me add one more thought from Dave Janssen: "in modern times the term Grisette is used basically as a synonym for any sort of lower strength saison"

    @EvenMoreJesus
     
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  4. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I'm not sure there's any amount of research that would please you, but "reading all the available information on the subject" would be a good place to start.

    Agreed, but "very little" =/= "no". Great recipe to be had right here, which required a minimum amount of research on my part:

    http://www.horscategoriebrewing.com/2016/10/what-is-grisette-part-ii-updated-and.html

    I guess you could call it a petite saison and just be done with it, but that doesn't change the fact that there was/is a historical style of beer called grisette.
     
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  5. FBarber

    FBarber Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,325) Mar 5, 2016 Illinois
    Mod Team BA4LYFE Society Pooh-Bah Trader

    I prefer session saison - it has a nice alliterative ring to it.
     
  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
    Society Pooh-Bah

    Chris (@zid) FWIW there are two recipes in the May/June 2018 edition of Zymurgy magazine for:
    • Ordinary Grisette (4.0 - 4.75% ABV depending on FG)
    • Grisette de Saison (5.2 - 5.9% ABV depending on FG)
    There was also discussion within the article about the Double Grisette sub-'style'.

    As to whether this information warrants a definition of a 'style' of beer being labeled as Grisette?

    Cheers!
     
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  7. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    You might be interested in knowing that the Brewers Association Style Guidelines defines a Grodziskie beer style:

    “Grodziskie

    Color: Straw to golden

    Clarity: Chill haze is acceptable at low temperatures

    Perceived Malt Aroma & Flavor: Oak-smoked wheat malt comprises the entire grain bill. Assertive smoked wheat malt aromas and flavors are medium to medium-high with aroma dominated by oak smoke.

    Perceived Hop Aroma & Flavor: Aroma and flavor of noble hops ranges from not perceived to low

    Perceived Bitterness: Medium-low to medium

    Fermentation Characteristics: Fruity-estery aroma and flavor should be low. Diacetyl and DMS should not be perceived. An overall crisp flavor is achieved by managing fermentation temperatures. Sourness should not be perceived.

    Body: Low to medium-low

    Additional notes: Grodziskie (also known as Grätzer) is an ale style of Polish origin. Historic versions were often bottle conditioned and highly carbonated.”

    Cheers!
     
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  8. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    I'm going to argue the opposite. The individual styles will mean more, and make it far easier than the large dumpster which each designation is on its way to becoming when the saison designation, or the IPA designation is a place holder for such a broad range of abv's, and flavor profiles.
     
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  9. JackRWatkins

    JackRWatkins Maven (1,472) Nov 3, 2014 Georgia
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    It's a subtype of saison, but there are a lot of different kinds of saison, I'm all for distinguishing for the sake of consumer education, but this is not necessary
     
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