Trade Value Thread (July 2018)

Would an Ardea be able to land BBT or Maman 17 (IP in St Louis)?

 

Would either side need a plus in TWCP Maman for 2018 Handjee? I dont see any completed trades for TWCP Maman.

 

Think Ardea would have to add a solid plus for BBT. Probably along the lines of an FOb3. Maman may need a small plus as well right now but should be close.

 

Think handjee may have to add from what I have seen.

 

Now that I have a newborn, I'm looking at turning some of my beers into a bottle of whiskey/bourbon or 2 since a small pour here and there might be easier to manage than a bottle. Never traded for any yet, so I'd need some help on fair value (assuming I'd have to give up a little more for beer:whiskey) Wondering what kinds of beers I could expect package together to get a bottle?

I have: Midnight Still Coconut and Cognac, Han Shot First (previous batch, not most recent), Space Trace and JTR, Rusty Nail '17, CCBomb, Grey Monday'15, Cantillon CSG, Inu Stout + Coconut

Wondering about: ORVW, Lot B, Weller 12 or Antique, any other suggestions I should consider

Thanks in advance

 

I agree with this more than the post by @Aetherbulb . Ardea + FO B3 I think is more of an exception than a guideline. I think for BBT, you're looking more Ardea + Prop 17 than ardea + FOb3.

 

Hey guys, very new to trading here and will be flying over to Boston with large bottles of Cantillon Blabaer 2018. I have been offered Hill Farmstead bottles such as Madness & Civilization #10, Flora Cherry Raspberry Kiwi and Barrel-Aged Dorothy 18’ b3. In my mind Blabaer is highly valued but I don't know the value of Hill Farmstead. Due to the rarity of Cantillon Blabaer I don't agree in $4$ trade, could I get some help with what I should be expecting to get in the form of Hill Farmstead bottles or from similar breweries?

 

This question is technically outside the lines of what this thread normally shoots for, but I want to offer some help that will redirect it.

Ignoring value altogether, is there anything you want? I mean this about ANY beer you want - not specifically HF beer. If so, what is it. That's the first place to start. Seeing who needs to add after that is where you go.
(There offer is low, and I would add much more to it as an example.)

 

Would 3 Sump variants Adola, Burundi, la lajas, land a GNVP B2?

 

BAA > value than Fundamental Forces. This has been true always and forever, correct? Currently engaged with someone who thinks Fundamental Forces has greater value than BAA '18...am I off here?

 

Theyre probably closer than you might think now, tho I'd agree BAA is a little higher than FF. I think you definitely see more BAA moving than FF tho, so that's probably their argument

 

Values seem pretty obscure with BAA. It sure seems like BAA is just barely above Assassin (Orange), but then you talk to people about BAA, and they say oh, you need a FO plus." Or you talk to people about Maman and BAA, and people say that BAA > Maman, which also seems not true - especially when compared to Assassin.

Somehow, despite BAA dropping in value, it seems like some people's valuations of it have not changed much at all.

So, TBH, I think the value of BAA is pretty blurry, and depends highly on the person trading it.

 

I get that trade vals are a bit squishy - and I'm not even necessarily trying to say there is a marked difference between the two (although I would argue BAA has at least a slightly greater value - how much value, who the hell knows)....but to hear someone offer up that Fundamental Forces has more value than BAA kinda blew my doors off. First I heard of such an opinion, so I was just putting out feelers to see if someone else had heard a similar take.

Thanks, gents.

 

Here's a question:

How many FO do you think is fair for a BAA, how many for a FF?

I feel like not long ago people were trying to offer 4 FO for a FF, without luck. Conversely, haven't people been reading 4-5 BL beers on the FO/NC level for a BAA?

There is def more BAA out there, but the value is obscured.

 

I only trade on Beer Advocate and haven't seen an offer of 4x FO for FF. Surely it has happened if you have seen it, but I'd guess that trade isn't happening very often at all. I'd also submit (my opinion) that FF isn't that much better than FO, so I probably wouldn't trade 2x FO for it. I have no idea how many FO others would be comfortable swapping - but I'd assume it would be in line with BAA.

I'm definitely seeing 4x BL for BAA, but perhaps not all at the FO level. I actually consider FO in its own category, really. Most everything else is a step down, be it small or large. BAA '18 definitely went up from a production standpoint, so it seems a little easier to get this year. I find it weird that Handjee '18 went up significantly in production, too - yet it doesn't seem to have budged from a value perspective. Maybe those that buy/sell on secondary see a difference in value there, but I don't follow that stuff as closely as others.