Aged Saisons

Discussion in 'Cellaring / Aging Beer' started by fmccormi, Nov 3, 2012.

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  1. fmccormi

    fmccormi Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2010 California

    Just picked up a bottle of De Glazen Toren Saison D'Erpe-Mere on sale for about $7, without looking for a date anywhere because the bottle by itself has no dating information—naturally I reached behind it for one of the paper-wrapped bottles, figuring the one closest to the floor was just unwrapped for displaying the label and whatnot. Once I got home, I noticed that on the paper wrapper there's a note that says something along the lines of "best consumed within two years after bottling . . . bottled February 2006," and I'm wondering now whether I should just take it back next time I'm at the store, or just hang onto it and drink it.

    I've heard people say that some saisons (Hennepin in particular comes to mind) take two or three years of age sometimes rather well. Anyone have experience or opinions on this? I'm sure it depends on the beer and I recognize the odds of someone reading this having had an aged bottle of Saison D'Erpe-Mere are rather slim, but I figure it's worth asking, regardless.
     
  2. fmccormi

    fmccormi Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2010 California

    Also, for what it's worth the bottle and paper wrapping aren't 100% consistent: the wrapper says the beer is 6.9% ABV, but the label on the bottle says 7.5% ABV.
     
  3. yamar68

    yamar68 Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2011 Minnesota

    I think it's pretty hard to determine whether or not a given saison is going to age well. I don't have any experience with the particular beer in question, but Avery comes to mind...

    Two of Avery's anniversary beers have been saisons. Sixteen was brewed with a number of adjuncts - hibiscus, honey and peaches if I remember correctly. It was brewed and bottled in 2009 and is drinking remarkably well at the moment.

    Avery Eighteen was the other saison - brewed with rye and dry-hopped. This one was bottled just last year and it's almost undrinkable at the moment.

    Additionally, BeerAdvocate claims that saisons can generally be aged for long periods, for what it's worth.
     
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  4. fmccormi

    fmccormi Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2010 California

    Huh, that's interesting. Haven't had that but it sounds like exactly what I'd brew if I knew shit about brewing. Didn't think adjuncts like that would hold up so well.

    Seems like a lot of things that are dry-hopped really heavily don't age particularly well, but that could just be due to the fact that a lot of the same beers are also bittered to hell in the brew process and it seems just as likely that that's what doesn't hold up.

    Thanks man! I forget to look at the site for basic information sometimes. Which is ridiculously dumb of me.
     
  5. busternuggz

    busternuggz Initiate (0) Mar 9, 2008 California

    I've read that saisons were first brewed to last longer periods of time than other beers, but six years is pushing it. But hell, try it anyway, it's only $7. If it's bad, you'll at least learn what a saison past its prime is like and be able to detect it in other saisons.
     
  6. yamar68

    yamar68 Initiate (0) Apr 1, 2011 Minnesota

    No worries - let us know how it is if you decide to crack it!
     
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  7. gatornation

    gatornation Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,388) Apr 18, 2007 Arizona
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    Fantome and De Ranke saisons age nicely
     
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  8. fmccormi

    fmccormi Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2010 California

    Good to know . . . I haven't had a De Ranke saison yet, or Fantôme for that matter, but I feel like Fantôme is probably another beast entirely, when it comes to age. Are De Ranke saisons as wild as Fantôme?
     
  9. gatornation

    gatornation Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,388) Apr 18, 2007 Arizona
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    to me they are light fruity with pepper and funk some lemon grass IMO
     
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  10. cosmicevan

    cosmicevan Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2009 New York
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    i had a 2008 hennepin alongside a 2011 not all that long ago and the 2008 was way over the hill. it was drinkable, but was pretty funky in a not great way.

    your mileage may vary on others though.

    as for bringing beer back, pretty sure it is against the law, even if it is too old. i once bought a 4 pack of duchess de bourgogne and got home and realized it was a few years past the best by date. i brought it back to the store and they told me that they weren't allowed to take it back, but they did make an exception since i was a very regular face there (and the manager wasn't around). they couldn't give me a proper refund, so they let me exchange it for something else.
     
  11. Thickfreakness

    Thickfreakness Initiate (0) Oct 2, 2010 New York

    Southern Tier Cherry Saison is fantastic with a few years on it! Also had Surly Cynicale with a couple years on it and thought it was brilliant!
     
  12. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    I returned a four pack of GF west coast to a wegnans. First bottle tasted like it had oxidized. They took the other three back with no issues

    Enjoy
     
  13. cosmicevan

    cosmicevan Initiate (0) Dec 13, 2009 New York
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    maybe it is a new york thing then? i bought a case of the trader joe vintage ale after loving the previous year. got home popped a bottle and it was vile. tried to return the other 11, they said it is the law that you cannot return alc. it did actually improve quite a bit over time though.
     
  14. ndak

    ndak Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2010 Pennsylvania

    Had a 2010 Fantome Saison at The Brick Store Pub in Atlanta, GA over the weekend and it blew me away. After taste was an amazing burst of apricot. Beautiful stuff.
     
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  15. fmccormi

    fmccormi Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2010 California

    Really? That sounds awesome . . . wish we got Fantôme in upstate NY!
     
  16. cfh64

    cfh64 Pooh-Bah (2,070) Aug 16, 2005 Texas
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    I think it goes without saying that whether a saison ages well or not is largely due to the ingredients. Since saisons are across the board with what's used I think it will vary greatly from beer to beer. Saison Brett? Good fresh but I much prefer it with at least a year on it but I like my saisons with some funk to them.

    Let us know how it turns out.
     
  17. fmccormi

    fmccormi Initiate (0) Oct 24, 2010 California

    Ah, totally forgot—the beer was pale, very stale, and exceedingly cidery. Would like to try it fresh.
     
  18. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Pooh-Bah (2,303) Sep 4, 2010 California
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    Agreed about the Southern Tier. I just got one from a friend that was very enjoyable, but I was under the impression it was no longer brewed.
     
  19. Eriktheipaman

    Eriktheipaman Pooh-Bah (2,303) Sep 4, 2010 California
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    For $7 I would try most things with that much time on it. I would just drink it and use it as a learning experience if nothing else.
     
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  20. Envelopes

    Envelopes Initiate (0) Aug 26, 2012 Ohio

    On a recent trip to my small hometown I found about six Fantôme de Noel sitting on the shelf. I had been psyched to try something from them so grabbed one. I assumed it had just come in what with the time of year and all. It was a bit dusty but I didn't really think much of it until I got home and noticed the date stamp on the price tag - January of 2011 - which I'm assuming means this was a 2010 bottle. Anyway, it wasn't all that great (smelled much stronger/better than it tasted) but I noticed it's not really as well rated as their other offerings anyway. Definitely wasn't bad though.
     
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