Possible bad trader?: (resolved) @TheIPAHunter

I agree he handled it poorly, people in stressful situations often do. I would wait until next time he logs on for an explanation, if he logs on and doesn’t explain or act contrite, slap the label on him. I don’t know him and think the Laaaarrrgge Schtick is kinda weird, but he is a very active member so I would give him the benefit of the doubt and one more chance. Possibly something wrong if someone that is that active suddenly disappears. With that said, I wouldn’t be happy in Jays spot either. Designation does no good now until he logs on again.

 

You are right about us, and you could be right about the whole situation. BUT you weren't aaround for mikesgroove, and others, who used the sickness excuse to get over on folks. You're like the guy on his first day in school, and is surprised when the rest of the class class bursts out laughing derisively when Johnny tells the teacher the dog ate his homework. Of course, the dog could have eaten his homework, but that excuse most of the time is the easy way out for a student who didn't do his homework. So pardon us for being skeptical of someone who has ability to write a fucked up "dog ate my homework' response to OP (but not the ability to apologize, or say what he plans to do about things), we have heard that one too often before.

 

Aren't there usually a few Internet sleuths on these BT threads? I'm not that savvy, but I know in the past a few members would always find every social media account of the labeled BT and see if it's been active. If they're able to post and update on those then you can assume they're ok, but if those have gone silent as well then you know something is up. I'm surprised no one knows him personally though. With such a long-standing account you'd think more would.

 

One other thing I’d point out is that @TheIPAHunter mentioned that if the OP “paid attention to threads in the past” (and doing a quick search it seems like it has been mentioned a couple of times) then OP would know about his “ongoing health issues”.

Now if someone agreed to a trade and then got hit by a car and was incommunicado while they were in hospital for a few weeks, that’s one thing. But if you have some sort of ongoing condition and you weigh everything up and decide that, despite that, beer trading is something you want to keep doing, then that rubs both ways. It’s on you to have some sort of contingency plan/proxy. Or at the very least be up front with your trading partner about possible periods of radio silence/going dark etc. You can’t have your cake and eat it in this case - you don’t get to get the beer you want, but play the “serious illness back off” card at the same time when it comes to beer you owe.

I don’t mean to sound harsh. Totally empathize with the guy and I hope that whatever he has isn’t too serious, and that he’s making headway towards recovery. But this ain’t a charity.

 

@PatrickCT mentioned he is friends with him IRL. Hopefully he will contact him, and if it isn't a hassle maybe come on here to let us know how his health is progressing. Which I know I speak for everyone that we hope he is recovering and is back to good health

 

That second quote is answer to the first quote. You may be right we were a bit harsh.

 

Unfortunately, I think that the issue is that there are rules, and there aren't supposed to be exceptions. So, someone with 20 trades that has been around for only 2 years should be treated the same way as someone who's an active member and been around for 10 years.

That said, the "illness and can't respond" aspect is super gray. I truly believe that very few people want everything to be black and white. The problem, as we all know, is that once you start making judgement, you have to make judgement everywhere. How do you do that? How can you justify it here but not there? I don't have these answers, but I understand that this is the position/problem.

If he is legitimately unable to respond, it is shitty if his account gets deleted. There's no way for him to come back and let us know, or make it right. Kind of sucks, but I don't know how to make an exception without creating precedent.

 

Way back when I was in the military I was assognasas a defense attorney. I used to tell people to view their service as a bank. Every day was a little deposit. If you messed up and had to withdraw, hopefully you had built up enough in the bank so you didn't overdraw. Someone in for six months would be treated differently than someone in for six years, etc.

Now, did I see people mess up and throw away long careers for minor stupid stuff? Absolutely.

These are tough situations and I like to see us as a community grappling with them. This is tough. Had he surfaced and said "I was in the hospital I'm so sorry let's make this right" none of us ever hear about it. But he surfaces, is combative, and disappears again.

I hope he shows up and figures this out. But the longer this goes on without an ansert, even via someone who knows him irl, the worse it looks given that message.

 

I’m with you on ideally holding off from account deletion until this all plays out. But at some point it’s going to have to happen if he doesn’t resurface.

But this definitely wouldn’t be the first time someone walks away from a long standing / heavy contributor type of account (both in relation to BT type stuff and just in general). I think it will keep happening until a time when beer karma can be redeemed for cash (with associated good standing requirements, bad boy carve outs and clawback provisions)

 

Wow, typing skills.

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I mean you wouldn't be totally wrong...

 

I hear that, but you sort of are by saying that we should wait. As @Todd mentioned, the standard isn't to wait.

For the record, I'm in favor of waiting a little bit since there's ultimately nothing that can help OP. So, why not? Kind of sucks that if you get banned because you had no way to communicate that you still have no way to communicate. That said, it is "special treatment."

 

And just to be clear, mikesgroove had long history and something like 200+ trades before he pulled off the biggest trade ripoff in BA trading history, and jojomdma was a very active and well liked person with big trade history on BA before he did a multi trade scam. We may have been overharsh here, I admit to it, but it's not like we haven't seen things that make us overreact.

 

IMO....In this case as is the case with many bad trader threads the issue seems to come down to poor communication in this cases 3 times.

The first being over promising on the ship date on May 22 he mentioned he would ship tomorrow.

The second on June 6th where a paragraph was written confirming he got the beer he was owed but making no attempt to make his trade partner whole or provide a timeline on when that may happen or if it even would happen. Instead getting defensive toward the OP.

The third on June 7th where once again he makes no effort to communicate when or if he can make his trade partner whole rather attacks him and says he hasn't touched the beer that was sent to him. This part is irrelevant no one knows more about his health issues than himself. If he has ongoing health issues that make him unable to touch the beer why line up a trade for several IPAs? Instead of attacking the trade partner who is just trying to follow up on something you said you would ship over two weeks ago why not give him an update with a realistic timeline on when he could ship.

I agree that no level of tenure on this site should excuse poor and/or thoughtless communication.Life does happen and the OP seems reasonable enough (through the posted communication) to work with in this case even proposes multiple alternate solutions to salvage the deal. He is not attacking @TheIPAHunter in any way simply asking questions throughout his communication. It wasn't until he resorted to starting a bad trader thread (which he said he didn't want to do) that the communication from hunter resumed however possibly coincidentally.

For me I don't see any real reason to create an exception in this case.