Possible bad trader?: (resolved) @TheIPAHunter

I'm not sure I completely agree that it is black and white like you are suggesting... I don't think that any user that had been here for a while would have been given the same leniency but there were some mitigating factors.

I think the fact that it was a person with established community membership not just been on site for a long time (that several other BAs knew in person and had not been in contact with), the fact that there was a health problem/hospitalization, and the fact that the user had not been on the site for quite a while contributed to it as well as the OP being willing to wait to see if they could get a resolution.

 

I don't necessarily disagree that someone relatively new the community does not always get the benefit of the doubt... but that is true here on BA and in other aspects of life. Again, someone relatively unknown in the community may not have had nearly as understanding a wronged party and would likely not have had people reaching out to let them know the thread had been started (or that they had had health issues).

The length of time someone has been on BA probably had less contribution to this situation than the involvement in the community - there are BAs that joined many years ago but are not very involved and people that joined more recently and are very involved. I think that level of engagement + interaction are the key factors in the situation.

 

As someone who has participated in a number of BT thread, I don't agree.

As I mentioned in an earlier post, it's been my experience that a common feature in all BT threads is that the community bends over backwards to give the BT the benefit of every doubt, as well as an inordinate amount of time to come on BA and explain himself. For one thing, there's usually two sides to every story, and so whenever possible, we want to hear from the BT before passing any kind of judgment. There have been a number of occasions when after hearing from the BT, our impression of the victim has changed dramatically (as it turns out we didn't hear the whole story).

Also, despite how it might seem at times, the primary purpose of these threads isn't to beat up on the BT, but to try to make the victim whole. As was noted earlier in THIS thread, once the BT is permanently banned, then that means there's no longer any hope of helping out the victim. So that's absolutely going to be a last possible resort, and one that's never taken lightly. Yes, ultimately we want to protect the community from an unscrupulous BT, but we also want to try to be as fair as we possibly can to the BT as well. As a result, in many cases a BT thread has gone on for weeks before a final decision is made.

It's not a perfect system, but I feel as if the community does the best they can in these threads to balance the equities involved, and to come up with an outcome that is fair to both the victim and the BT. Ideally, that means the victim ultimately gets the beer he was promised, hopefully the BT learns his lesson, the BT tag is removed and we all move on.

 

Just dropped @JayORear box at the post office. Expected delivery on Wednesday. Cheers, everyone!

 

Actually in MA at present, but as @JayORear mentioned, flat rate is LARRRGE.

 

Glad to hear everything is likely going to work out with this situation. I'm glad to hear that @TheIPAHunter is back in action and that @JayORear will get his box (and hopefully some stellar extras ).

 

In case anyone is still following, my package was delivered today. Just need @JayORear to confirm.

I was NEVER not going to send it. Shit happens. I know now I could have handled it with more grace, and dignity.

 

That's plenty good enough for me, but will leave it to @dmbforever to close this one down.

Cheers!