Beer Styles Have Finally Been Updated!

Blog Discussion in 'BeerAdvocate Talk' started by Todd, Sep 1, 2018.

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  1. johnInLA

    johnInLA Pooh-Bah (2,350) Jun 12, 2005 California
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    Curious. What do you think distinguishes an Asian lager as a unique style verses a regional interpretation of an existing style.
     
    #21 johnInLA, Sep 2, 2018
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  2. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    We'll definitely consider it.
    We discussed this yesterday, but we'll revisit it.
    We'll revisit this once things settle down.
    It's been considered in the past. We can revisit this one, too.
     
    #22 Todd, Sep 2, 2018
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  3. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    I tend to think that most of the kettle sours that I have been seeing hit the shelves are much closer to a fruited Berliner Weisse (or fruited Gose) than an American Wild Ale.
     
    #23 dbrauneis, Sep 2, 2018
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  4. rudzud

    rudzud Initiate (0) Apr 28, 2010 Massachusetts
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    I'm just glad Happoshu didn't disappear. Tracking one of those down to get me the old 104/104 was incredibly difficult.
    Edit: Though I'm confused as to why I was 104/104 before..and now I'm 104/111. Looks like I lost some styles and gained some others.
     
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  5. Pantalones

    Pantalones Initiate (0) Nov 14, 2014 Virginia

    So... why is it "Smoke [Porter/Beer]" rather than "Smoked [Porter/Beer]"? Seems like an awkward phrasing since basically all of the smoked beers I've seen or heard of describe themselves as "smoked," and the thing that separates them from other beers is the smoked malt.

    (I am glad to see Smoked Porter as its own style now, though! now if only I could find more of them...)
     
    #25 Pantalones, Sep 2, 2018
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  6. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    This should be fairly straightforward? While Berliner Weiße is brewed with wheat, its defining characteristic is the sourness derived from lactobazillus and/or brett. Its flavour profile has absolutely nothing in common with a traditional wheat beer and it sticks out like a sore thumb in that category, to be honest.

    I would also suggest removing "and often served with a flavored syrup like Woodruff or raspberry" from the style description. This is something that's known as a Berliner Weiße "mit Schuss" in Germany and is a unique serving style that has nothing to do with a traditional Berliner Weiße and is commonly ridiculed as a silly custom by German craft brewers and enthusiasts.

    It was originally devised by bar owners to override the sourness with sweetness and make the beer more attractive to a wider audience by masking its most distinct feature.

    While I would agree that it is closer to a fruited Berliner Weiße considering the brewing process, I think it has really established itself as a unique style, so why should we categorize it as a differnent one here? I still think it's pretty wrong to enter a Kettle Sour as a Berliner Weiße as well, to be honest.
     
    #26 Snowcrash000, Sep 2, 2018
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  7. woodychandler

    woodychandler Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,184) Apr 9, 2004 Pennsylvania
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    Gotta hand it to yinz on this one! I look forward to (re-)reading the descriptions as I CANtinue to review & rate to Style & NOT to personal Taste. I pretty much had the old one memorized.
     
    #27 woodychandler, Sep 2, 2018
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  8. HopBelT

    HopBelT Grand Pooh-Bah (3,619) Mar 18, 2014 Belgium
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    Great update ! I was waiting for this some time now, and finally...
    Thanks !
     
    #28 HopBelT, Sep 2, 2018
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  9. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    I thought that looked awkward too, though if you think about it, it's fruit beer, not fruited beer. I think the difference is that smoke can be a verb, so it seems natural to expect the "ed". So - is it a verb or noun?
     
    #29 bbtkd, Sep 2, 2018
  10. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    If additional consideration for this list is still being given to suggestions made in this thread, how about in the Wheat Beer category is a German Weiss or Weissbier? I'm not an expert on German styles, but it seems like this style was listed on most beer lists during my trip to Germany last year. Or should it be a lager category? German style 'experts' can chime in here on that question.
     
    #30 PapaGoose03, Sep 2, 2018
  11. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    Weißbier and Hefeweizen are one and the same thing. It's just that Weißbier is the prefered nomenclature in Bavaria.
     
    #31 Snowcrash000, Sep 2, 2018
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  12. PapaGoose03

    PapaGoose03 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,057) May 30, 2005 Michigan
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    Good to know. I drank some weissbiers that didn't have the yeasty esters, so I never connected them to hefes. Thanks for the clarification.
     
    #32 PapaGoose03, Sep 2, 2018
  13. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    Untappd simply labels such beers as "Sour - Fruited", which seems fitting to me. To be more in line with BA style naming conventions it could be called "American Fruit Sour", I guess?

    Also, and I hate to be so anal about this, but to stay in line with the current style naming conventions, "Berliner Weisse" should be changed to "German Berliner Weisse". This is not a redundancy as "Berliner" is actually part of the official style name here and not a prefix. As opposed to Leipzig Gose, by the way.
     
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  14. BalancingBrooms

    BalancingBrooms Pooh-Bah (2,894) Aug 22, 2013 California
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    Is the american brett category for beers only fermented with brett?
     
    #34 BalancingBrooms, Sep 2, 2018
  15. superspak

    superspak Grand High Pooh-Bah (10,927) May 5, 2010 North Carolina
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    I would like a better definition of this style as well. There are plenty of Brett fermented IPAs listed as American IPAs, but have skewed ratings because of the funky/peppery Brett character. I've always noted this character and scored accordingly in my reviews. @Todd what do you think? Should Brett IPAs be placed under the American Brett category?
     
    #35 superspak, Sep 2, 2018
  16. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    It would make the most sense right now, and there are 78 that can be moved automagically.
     
    #36 Todd, Sep 2, 2018
  17. DISKORD

    DISKORD Initiate (0) Feb 28, 2017 South Carolina

    I don't think there's a need for both styles: Robust Porter and American Porter. Needs to be just one of them. I also see a lot of beers under American Porter that belong in Imperial Porter category. And I don't think there's a need for American Light Lager either. Those beers are just fine under AAL.
     
    #37 DISKORD, Sep 2, 2018
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  18. Todd

    Todd Founder (13,518) Aug 23, 1996 Finland
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    Shoutout to @dbrauneis for crushing edits this morning. Hundreds of suggested style edits have been made since the update and the queue is empty.
     
    #38 Todd, Sep 2, 2018
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  19. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    My thoughts on styles I would like to see considered for addition to the site are:
    1. New England Imperial IPA
    2. New England Pale Ale
    3. Kettle Sour
    4. Fruited Sour
    5. Milkshake IPA
    6. Radler/Shandy
     
    #39 dbrauneis, Sep 2, 2018
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  20. deleted_user_995920

    deleted_user_995920 Initiate (0) Jun 4, 2015

    My bother in law used to be a cop in London in the seventies. He always told me a shandy was 7-up and beer. 50/50
     
    #40 deleted_user_995920, Sep 2, 2018
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