AB-InBev event with 'craft' beer available

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by HopsAreDaMan, Sep 17, 2018.

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  1. HopsAreDaMan

    HopsAreDaMan Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2015 Missouri

    Thank you for your reply.

    We're going deeper, which is much of what I look for when posting here.

    It seems to me that many of these discussions come down to a difference in values. It appears you and I have different values. It doesn't mean I don't like you. I appreciate talking with those that disagree with my value system, so perhaps we can come to a better understanding of each other.

    My sticking point isn't whether what AB is doing is legal or illegal. There are a number of things that are legal, but I choose not to do them anyway. I agree with what you say about pleasing the shareholders. THAT is part of the problem: the way business is run. I am invested in the stock market, and I want to make a profit like anyone else. HOWEVER, I want to do it as ethically as is feasible (I can elaborate on that, if you are interested)

    For example, a significant part of my investments (a little less than half) are in socially responsible mutual funds. The more than half that is not invested in a socially responsible fund is largely because there are few index funds in mid -cap, small cap and international funds that are socially responsible. Throughout the last ten years or so more and more SR funds have become available; my goal is to be most--if not all--invested in SR funds. My willingness to admit that I am not fully invested in SR funds--in my judgement--is part of what I mean be being transparent. I recognize that I am part of the system, I admit it. AND, I am doing something to change it. I'm not simply sitting around saying, "That's the way business works, and there's nothing I can do to change it." I believe the way businesses are run can change and are changing (I can elaborate on that as well, if you are interested)

    All that said, I steer away from funds that have AB-InBev, and other companies in them that have values different than my own. Many are also doing the same. Change is happening in the business world. The world really is what you make of it.
     
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  2. Giantspace

    Giantspace Grand Pooh-Bah (3,043) Dec 22, 2011 Pennsylvania
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    The Majority, and I mean the huge majority dont care who makes their beer as long as its good and priced at a price they feel they can afford.

    So Elysian, and others are no longer good beer because they have a new owner? What is real craft beer?

    I will let the secret out to you, Many new breweries that you would probably call real craft are not good and not adding anything new or better.

    Enjoy
     
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  3. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    I completely understand where your coming from. I'm 62 I'd guess you are a late 20s guy, I'd guess 28. We're all part of the system to some degree, and it's impossible not to be I suppose. I'm not an idealist, I suspect you are to the largest degree you can be and I applaud that. Do you shop at Walmart? Buy from Amazon? Use your local big bank over a credit union? The commodity is different but the intent is the same, and it's making money. You like Sunday afternoon football? Your sponsoring it there too, it's deeper than just ABI.
     
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  4. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Wow, I didn't know smart assery was genetic. And here was me thinking it a learned skill.
     
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  5. HopsAreDaMan

    HopsAreDaMan Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2015 Missouri

    Thanks for your reply. What made you guess that I am 28?
     
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  6. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Just a thought. Young upwardly mobile, probably a college grad, maybe a few year removed and understanding things. Idealogy driven in a world turning more liberal.

    Or I could be wrong , you might be a 70 year old hippie who's never changed. What goes around comes around, it's not new just rediscovered.
     
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  7. Junior

    Junior Pooh-Bah (1,883) May 23, 2015 Michigan
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    I don't get upset, I just stop spending my money there.
     
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  8. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    Exactly my point. You/ me/ we all have a choice.
     
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  9. HopsAreDaMan

    HopsAreDaMan Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2015 Missouri

    By OP, I am assuming you mean me, the Original Poster?

    Thank you for your post.

    For clarity: It was my judgment that most of the beers I tried were mediocre. I tried about 8 - 10 of the roughly 100 beers at the event. ABI has many more than that in their portfolio, so my sample size compared to what they offer was very small.

    "Do you believe those beers even need to be made available to everyone?" That is not my call. I'll let the powers that be make that decision.

    "Lines are being blurred and that event sounds like a perfect way to do that." I hear you, and that is certainly one way to look at it. I see it as more complex than that. I'd rather not to speculate on what their motives were for having an event like this, but rather focus more on the outcome, which, from my perspective, I detail in my numerous posts in this thread.

    "Did they make it known they own every one of those Breweries, Breweries that try to have their own identifies?" --That is what the Inde/pen/dent/Craft beer label by the Brewers Association is attempting to address: to help educate buyers that the beer in your hand with that label is brewed by smaller, independent breweries. And I believe the idea is that the consumer will hopefully come to understand that those beers without that label are not brewed by an independent craft brewery.

    "They aren't adding anything new or better, for the most part." -- I hear you. I choose to focus on the benefits, so I judge they are. You are free to read my prior posts. To put it simply, I believe that the existence and proliferation of better beer encourages the entire market to produce better beer.

    Dude, seriously, what they are doing is not all bad. I invite you to look for the good in what AB-InBev is doing. And once you can see that, then you may have a more grounded perspective in which to look at how they are going about what they are doing, and then do what you can to encourage change from there. And, oh, have a beer while doing it.
     
  10. HopsAreDaMan

    HopsAreDaMan Initiate (0) Jul 28, 2015 Missouri

    LOl. I am somewhere in between those descriptions. Definitely ideological, definitely--I prefer the term--'progressive'.
    I like this: "It's not new just rediscovered." That fits in with my spirituality.

    In terms of your previous questions "Do you shop at Walmart? Buy from Amazon? Use your local big bank over a credit union? The commodity is different but the intent is the same, and it's making money. You like Sunday afternoon football? Your sponsoring it there too, it's deeper than just ABI." I hear you that many people--you being one of them--have the belief that business is ALL about making money. And for some businesses, that's true. Just to be clear: I don't think that making money is bad. It's how one goes about it that makes it ... either a little better or a little worse. It's complicated, and involves subtle differences of values, some that we are not even aware of.

    That is what I like about these forums. What I read sometimes challenges me to look at things a little differently and I may even make a slight alteration to my particular world view (in my experience that is uncommon, but it does happen, and when it does I am grateful for being able to see more clearly) or at least helps me understand where someone is coming from. And at the very least, and can we share some passion for beer and have a few laughs. There are some posters out here that I often don't agree with (sometimes I do), but their posts often make me laugh. If I'm not able to laugh, even with those I don't agree with, then I know something is not right with my view of the world.
     
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  11. FatBoyGotSwagger

    FatBoyGotSwagger Grand Pooh-Bah (3,999) Apr 4, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    "A rising tide lifts all the boats"
     
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  12. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    It has to be. My Dad and Grand Dad on my Mom's side were notable. Maybe I did take notes after all! Who knows? If it's a craft, it's a fun one. I'll look into it a bit further.
     
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  13. HorseheadsHophead

    HorseheadsHophead Grand Pooh-Bah (3,732) Sep 15, 2014 Colorado
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    Thoughts? Okay, sure there are lots of positives to be found. Without question. Free parking, free beer, and easily accessibly water are all irrefutably awesome. If you only want to focus on these positives, then you would have no problem with this event. If you wish to end the story there, you may do so.

    However, the bigger scale truth is that all of these wonderful things were only possible because InBev is one of the richest companies in the world, and they are once again trying to sucker the craft beer drinking community into buying their products by wowing everyone with a lush extravaganza--because they can afford to. If anyone wished to attend this festival I wouldn't hold it against them, but I personally refuse to be tricked by InBev. They're not worth my time or money.
     
  14. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    How would you have been tricked? They were transparent about from where the products were coming and from where the money came to put on the festival.
     
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  15. Junior

    Junior Pooh-Bah (1,883) May 23, 2015 Michigan
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    So is ABI the tide or one of the boats? Or is that simply referring to ABI and their beer portfolio?

    I certainly do not think that independent craft beer producers are making better beer because of ABI. From my perspective, ABI is not making better beer.
     
  16. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    For example, more charity from Big Beer and Craft Beer working together to help those affected by Hurricane Florence. Man . . . how evil can these guys get?

    https://www.americancraftbeer.com/b...eries-lend-aid-to-hurricane-florence-victims/
     
  17. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    I believe that they are helping with the image, the availability, and the exposure of craft brands, i.e. beer that isn't AAL. They are also helping the consumer with more consistent and lower pricing as well as consistent quality.
     
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  18. mrmattosgood

    mrmattosgood Maven (1,301) Nov 6, 2010 Canada (BC)

    Didn’t you know that when AB does that it’s all about marketing?! It’s not because they care. They just want the tax write off. When an independent brewery does it, it’s because they care, man.

    (Takes tongue out of cheek) ahem, it’s called nuance. You can be both (a) a company who cares about their communities, environment, troops, and world, as well as (b) a company that wants to make their shareholders happy.
     
  19. joe1510

    joe1510 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,522) Aug 21, 2006 Illinois
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    Money is an evil thing. I hope that in your career path you turn down all promotions, bonuses, and perks because working for money is a terrible, self centered, greedy, egotistical endeavor that does no good for mankind as a whole.

    Or is it only terrible if someone makes more than you?

    Are you a terrible person to the people that make less than you?

    When my local craft breweries set up tastings at the liquor stores on the weekends and offer free beer to anyone walking in the front door, I scold them. I scold them good. I preach about their underhanded shady tactics, about their suckering of poor uneducated consumers with the inability to form an opinion of their own. It's detrimental to society, their suckering.

    Water stations and free parking? Not even Rockefeller had that level of extravagance! Nor lushness! The audacity!

    This just sounds like a lot of pent up hate and animosity. Not only toward AB but toward anyone that drinks AB, because clearly, your time and money is worth more than theirs.
     
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  20. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    If you have first hand information here I would like to hear it.

    I know a lot of people in the beer industry (e.g., beer store owners/managers) and I have heard plenty of AB 'horror stories' but these are second hand stories now for me personally (by my reckoning). If you have first hand knowledge that would be worth reading.

    Cheers!
     
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