Just to clear things up for my next batch.

Discussion in 'Homebrewing' started by slayerhellfire, Mar 15, 2012.

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  1. slayerhellfire

    slayerhellfire Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 New York

    Ok so here is the updated recipe, I had to change some things due to unavailable ingredients from my local hbs.

    was a All Grain Recipe - Stone Ruination IIPA::: 1.078/1.017 (5.5 Gal) which will not be a clone now due to change in hops!
    Grain Bill
    14 lbs. - 2 Row Pale Malt
    1 lb. - Crystal Malt (40L)
    1 lb. - Munich Malt (10L)
    1 lb. - Carapils
    Hop Schedule (98 IBU)
    2.0 oz - Magnum (60 min.)
    1 oz - chinook (30 min.)
    1 oz - Centennial (10 min.)
    1 oz - Centennial (1 min.)
    1 oz - Centennial whole leaf - Dry Hop in secondary for 7 days
    Yeast
    Wyeast 1056 1800 ml starter
    Mash/Sparge/Boil
    Mash at 150° to 152° for 60 min.
    Sparge as usual
    Cool and ferment at 66° to 68°

    My local Homebrew store recommended to keep the centennials at the lower end of the boil so it would keep the characteristics of the hop, he also said it's not all about ibus which I know understand from one of you guys and the guy at my hbs, thus the recommendation of the centennial change to 10 and 1 min. Please let me know what you guys think about this. These are all the ingredients I have, please let me know about the hop schedule as it is.
     
  2. cracker

    cracker Pundit (893) May 2, 2004 Pennsylvania

    Personally I don't see much of a point of a 30 min addition (never have). I would move that to 15 mins or less. I also think you need more hops in the dry hop (at least 2-3 oz for a beer like this). If not, my bet is your beer will taste much more bitter than aromatic/floral. If you brew as is it will be fine too (it just could be better in my opinion).
     
  3. slayerhellfire

    slayerhellfire Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 New York

    i wonder if I should just take the 1 min addition and add it to the dry hop
     
  4. cracker

    cracker Pundit (893) May 2, 2004 Pennsylvania

    If you cannot get more hops before dry hopping, then I would do that for sure.
     
  5. slayerhellfire

    slayerhellfire Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 New York

    Yeah he questioned me about using 2 oz in dry hop and said something about it being too much, he was explaining it to me but I forgot what he said.
     
  6. cracker

    cracker Pundit (893) May 2, 2004 Pennsylvania

    Too much? How so? Never heard of something like that. I routinely use 2-3oz in my IPA's.
     
  7. slayerhellfire

    slayerhellfire Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 New York

    so would changing the 1 min addition be ok to add to the dry hop schedule
     
  8. cracker

    cracker Pundit (893) May 2, 2004 Pennsylvania

    Absolutely. I think you'll get more bang for your buck so to speak.
     
  9. slayerhellfire

    slayerhellfire Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 New York

    whats everyone's else opinion on this, unfortunly I prob can't get more hops by sunday
     
  10. slayerhellfire

    slayerhellfire Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 New York

    also should I do a 90 min boil??
     
  11. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    I typically only do 90 minute boils if the base malt is pilsener, to blow off more of the DMS precursors. A couple other reasons would be...

    - if you want better mash efficiency via sparging more, and you need the extra boil time to get down to final volume.

    - you want more melanoidin formation
     
  12. aficionado

    aficionado Initiate (0) Jan 6, 2011 New Jersey

    Additionally, if you choose a 90 minute boil then you could bitter with less hops and also gain more efficiency. The hops leftover from bittering could then be shifted to 15-0-DH for more flavor/aroma. This is especially useful advice if you already purchased all of your ingredients and you don't want to revisit your LHBS.
     
  13. slayerhellfire

    slayerhellfire Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 New York

    ok so If I still only want to do a 60 minute boil what should my hop schedule look like, lets put it that way lol. Heres my hops

    Hop Schedule (98 IBU)
    2 oz - Magnum (60 min.)
    1 oz - Chinook (30 min.)
    1 oz - Centennial (15 min.)
    1 oz - Centennial (Flame out.)- or add to dry hop?
    1 oz - Centennial - Dry Hop in secondary

     
  14. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
    Pooh-Bah

    I say try it and see how you like it. Also, should have added to the other reply, but too late to edit... Some may say that a 90 minte boil will allow you to use less bittering hops, due to greater utilization. True, but very marginal. The fuel to boil the extra 30 minutes would be more expensive than the hops saved.
     
  15. slayerhellfire

    slayerhellfire Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 New York

    Ok yeah I think Iam going to stick with the 60 min boil maybe see what others say about the schedule and kinda go from there
     
  16. aficionado

    aficionado Initiate (0) Jan 6, 2011 New Jersey

    Choosing a 90 minute over 60 minute boil has more than one benefit. You wouldn't only be doing it for slightly better utilization, you would also be doing it to save some of those hops for later in the boil, to avoid revisiting the LHBS for more hops, for melanoidin formation (some people want a slightly darker beer and this could be gained from a longer boil vs. using so much crystal 40), etc. etc. etc. ~ Besides, the 30 minutes of extra boiling in fuel costs would be also insignificant. For example, my gas bill is $12-15 on average. If I boiled one beer 30 minutes longer, then my monthly gas bill would probably increase by a dollar or so. You really need more hops anyway... and you need to use them late. - 2 oz. of high alpha hops at 60 min. is kinda much IMO for this particular recipe.
     
  17. bulletrain76

    bulletrain76 Maven (1,311) Nov 6, 2007 California

    Get more hops! Sorry, but that is just not enough to make a good DIPA, even with perfect dry hopping and packaging technique. You need more like 5-6oz for dry hop and you'll want your IBUs to calculate out to well over 100.
     
  18. bulletrain76

    bulletrain76 Maven (1,311) Nov 6, 2007 California

    Color difference between 60 and 90 minute boils? I've never seen it.
     
  19. aficionado

    aficionado Initiate (0) Jan 6, 2011 New Jersey

    It's not going to be 5 SRM's worth of difference, but it will be slightly darker in a glass when held up to the light. In addition to more melanoidin formation, you're also boiling off more wort which concentrates it and aids darkening.
     
  20. slayerhellfire

    slayerhellfire Initiate (0) Dec 24, 2009 New York

    5-6 oz for dry hoping seems like a lot, but again I have never made a DIPA before, many sites say 2-3 oz
     
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