Controversial Beer Opinions Thread

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Kraz, Feb 14, 2018.

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  1. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    I'll have you know that I'm a super villain. "7 Sustainably Brewed Beers that May Save the Planet." Yeah, sure. Those beers might be taking some water from the fog, a sea, wastewater, or rain... but on average, a brewery uses 5-7 gallons of water for every 1 gallon of beer they produce... and that number can jump up to 180 gallons of water to 1 gallon of beer if you take ingredient production into account. If you want to save the planet or conserve water, don't brew beer. :slight_smile:
     
  2. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    I haven't seen the numbers in a few years, but last I knew, Sierra Nevada and New Belgium were the industry leaders at somewhere around 4:1. Most of our beloved craft breweries are waaay higher. Add in the flushing of toilets and the washing of glasses and plates, and the number goes up.
     
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  3. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    According to some articles out there, MillerCoors was in that ballpark in 2010 and was aiming for 3.5 across all of their breweries by 2015 (their Fort Worth brewery was at 3.4 at the time). They also supposedly worked with their farmers to put in water conservation measures on the ingredient side of things, looked to using recycled water within the beer pasteurization process, and was moving away from wet lubricants used on conveyor belts. SABMiller also published a report on water use in ingredient production in association with The World Wildlife Fund. I didn't notice Miller Lite on that beer list above, but that list had the beer made with vaginal lactobacillus bacteria so I guess we can still take it seriously though.
     
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  4. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    "...notes of rambutan and mangosteen, with a slight hint of durian..."
     
  5. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    Those breweries and bottle shops that don't keep their web sites updated and rely instead on social media for release news and whatnot can cram it sideways with walnuts. My FOMO pales in comparison to my unbridled hatred of Facebook, Twitter, et. al.

    And keep your damn baseball out of my yard.
     
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  6. dcotom

    dcotom Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,637) Aug 4, 2014 Iowa
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    I guess once you've smelled durian, you'll be 100% on it. In perpetuity.
     
  7. SammyJaxxxx

    SammyJaxxxx Initiate (0) Feb 23, 2012 New Jersey

    Your story about the line at _________ is not even remotely interesting or impressive. The fact that you got 12 bottles of ______, when the limit was 4 does not make you sound cool. It makes you sound like a twat.
     
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  8. EvenMoreJesus

    EvenMoreJesus Initiate (0) Jun 8, 2017 Pennsylvania

    Probably because you ARE a twat if you even entertain the idea of telling a story such as that.
     
  9. breadwinner

    breadwinner Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 California

    Ironically, some of these hazies give off a serious rotting fruit note to me that actually smells a bit of durian. Which is just as unpleasant in a beer as it is freshly cut open in a Thai market:slight_smile:
     
  10. breadwinner

    breadwinner Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 California

    Drain poured some Trillium cans recently because they were that bad. #noragrets
     
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  11. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    I call it an uplifting malt blast.
     
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  12. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    Well thank you Stephen King!
     
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  13. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    This is absolutely true. It is a universal sexual and non-sexual fact. But, I think of Theodore Roethke's line: "who'd look when he could feel, she'd as many sides as a seal".
     
  14. CShell1234

    CShell1234 Initiate (0) Oct 25, 2018 New York

    Came here to say, Trillium IPAs are terrible... I’ve given them too many chances and I’ve been disappointed every time
     
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  15. breadwinner

    breadwinner Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 California

    The sad part is I’ve had really really good cans from them too. I guess they’re just super inconsistent? I dunno what’s up, these were stinkers though.
     
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  16. papposilenus

    papposilenus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,232) Jun 21, 2014 New Hampshire
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    Unfortunately, they're just consistently like that now, at least the big IPA's, I guess since the fermentation change.

    Here's an excerpt from my review of Butlers Island: '...so thick and dripping with sweet, boozy, composty fruit that it's a little bit of a chore to get the last couple of sips down.'

    And from Heavy Mettle: '...thick and juicy, verging on sticky/syrupy... Drinks like a mixed-drink cocktail like they might serve you at brunch with a bamboo umbrella and a maraschino cherry... A) this beverage belongs in a 12oz can, and B) sweet fucking mercy, enough... uncle!!

    I actually gave them each decent enough scores on technical merit but I worked my ass off to drink an entire 16oz can and actually considered using the end of it on my pancakes the next morning.
     
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  17. breadwinner

    breadwinner Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2014 California

    Sad to hear. Although “composty fruit” is another great descriptor for these types of IPAs! Well said:slight_smile:
     
  18. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    That's a good one, but I get something more like a fruit roll up. Still not that fresh experience, though.
     
  19. traction

    traction Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2010 Georgia
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    I've never had Trillium so obviously you have more experience than me on this but it must come down to individual palates. Trillium has multiple beers in the top 50 of both the IPA and NEIPA category here. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it is terrible. I understand the disappointment factor though, the few "whales" I've come across from other companies have all been good or at least decent beer but nothing I would necessarily put in the top 100. Opinions are like arseholes I guess...
     
  20. CShell1234

    CShell1234 Initiate (0) Oct 25, 2018 New York

    Haha yes, that’s just my “controversial opinion” and I’ve tried searching for other people who have had a similar experience and honestly I couldn’t find that many. I did find someone who felt that once they opened their second location they started releasing their beers too early and they had a harsh green vegetal hop bite... which is pretty much what I taste, especially as @papposilenus said, toward the end of the can, which makes it almost entirely undrinkable
     
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