Controversial Beer Opinions Thread

Discussion in 'Beer Talk' started by Kraz, Feb 14, 2018.

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  1. Troutbeerbum

    Troutbeerbum Initiate (0) Dec 5, 2016 Maine

    Kolsch is the most under brewed style out there.
     
  2. IPAExpert69

    IPAExpert69 Savant (1,065) Aug 2, 2017 Pennsylvania

    And they are either great or forgettable, never have had a Kolsch in my life that I felt was pretty good or decent
     
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  3. Coronaeus

    Coronaeus Grand Pooh-Bah (3,744) Apr 21, 2014 Canada (ON)
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    Agree 100% It is a style the examples of which are either really good, or bloody awful. Unfortunately, most North American iterations are of the latter type.

    I can't think of another German style that is like this.
     
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  4. Troutbeerbum

    Troutbeerbum Initiate (0) Dec 5, 2016 Maine

    Von Trapp and Fore River (local) Both outstanding.
     
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  5. Chuck2319

    Chuck2319 Initiate (0) Apr 13, 2017 Arizona
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    Posting pictures of beer, poured in a glass, #brandnamehere #beerstylehere #beernamehere and not offering ANY opinion of flavor, level of enjoyment or other constructive details. K, buddy; you poured the beer and took a picture (or stole the picture from someone else), we’re all impressed and excited for you.
     
  6. thesherrybomber

    thesherrybomber Initiate (0) Jun 13, 2017 California

    Which ones were great?
     
  7. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    Koelsch is one of the most subtle styles out there. That's even compared with other German styles. It lacks the dry hoppy punch of pils, the malty breadiness of helles, and the richness of its next door neighbor, alt.
    Instead it has a subtle hint of grape/pear and a drinkablility that might be unmatched. It isn't the type of beer that's going to kill it at a whale tasting, but it's something you can enjoy stange after stange for hours on end. There's something to be said for that. It isn't even one of my personal favorite German styles, but it's pretty awesome in its own way.
     
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  8. thesherrybomber

    thesherrybomber Initiate (0) Jun 13, 2017 California

    I've heard it referred to as a "lady's drink"
     
  9. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
    Pooh-Bah

    Just curious, where? It's still bolder than any American macro lager. While other Germans talk a little bit of smack about styles in other regions, they typically reserve that term for Berliner weiss.
     
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  10. rgordon

    rgordon Pooh-Bah (2,701) Apr 26, 2012 North Carolina
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    "Great or forgettable"; "never had a Kolsch that I felt was pretty good or decent". Which great ones have you tried? I always loved Sunner for its soft spicy velvety essence. It speaks of its hometown, Cologne. It's a fun place.
     
  11. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Sometimes people for that this can be very important. My first introduction to Kolsch was in Koln when a group of us all went to dinner and evening out. The majority of the small group were local and accustomed to a long dinner chat with good food, several stange, and all that that entails. I still remember my delight/apprecation when someone told me how to let the waiter know I didn't want any more and for keeping track of my bill.
     
  12. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    I was just saying this exact sort of thing on another board regarding Munich Dunkel :wink:.
     
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  13. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    My fave American versions have been:
    Altstadt (TX)
    Metropolitan (Chicago)
    Straub (PA)

    As much as I enjoy Von Trapp's offerings, I might be inclined to put their Kolsch in the mythical 2nd tier. :slight_smile:
     
  14. BBThunderbolt

    BBThunderbolt Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,846) Sep 24, 2007 Kiribati
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    Chuckanut Kolsch is pretty awesome .
     
  15. thesherrybomber

    thesherrybomber Initiate (0) Jun 13, 2017 California

    I read it in some book and saw a video long ago where a group of women were being served in a bar. Not talking smack, just pointing out that it's popular with women where its from.
     
  16. rozzom

    rozzom Pooh-Bah (2,620) Jan 22, 2011 New York
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    Boogie Board Stuntz - CLASSIC Kolsch
     
  17. Domingo

    Domingo Grand Pooh-Bah (4,252) Apr 23, 2005 Colorado
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    Agreed 100%. There aren't many to begin with and very few of them are particularly good or authentic.

    I'd throw out kellerbier as another. Not only are there basically none, the few that are tend to be IPL's in disguise.
     
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  18. marquis

    marquis Pooh-Bah (2,313) Nov 20, 2005 England
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    Technically what most people regard as Kolsch is an impostor
    By definition Kolsch can only be brewed in or close to Koln.Also to be called a Kolsch the strength and fining are subject to restrictions. And it is that rarest of beers an Obergarige Lagerbier which confuses people who believe that lager is always bottom fermented.
     
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  19. cavedave

    cavedave Grand Pooh-Bah (4,157) Mar 12, 2009 New York
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    I notice about half of the ones here use the appelation "Kolsch style", but I definitely notice some do call themselves simply Kolsch. Is that true in England too? Is there some other name to use that doesn't reference Cologne?
     
  20. Snowcrash000

    Snowcrash000 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,041) Oct 4, 2017 Germany
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    "Kölsch" is a proper appelation according to the Kölsch convention and is being enforced as such in Germany and throughout much of Europe, as far as I can tell. I have often wondered how all those American brewers get away with calling their beers Kölsch, but I guess that because of the sheer numbers involved, the regulators simply gave up.

    I remember a beer brewed in Austria that was originally called a Kölsch by the brewery, but later changed to "Golden Ale". Within Germany, or even Cologne if the beer does not meet another criteria of the Kölsch convention, like being filtered, brewers often call these beers a "Wieß" or "Obergäriges Lagerbier". Technically, Wieß is the historical, unfiltered precursor to Kölsch.
     
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