Founders Contract Brewing All Day IPA

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  1. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    Exept for that both Avery and Founders are partially owned by San Miguel, so this isn't about Avery making any kind of decision, nor is it Founders reaching out to some "friends" stressing about a good problem they'd like to share with them,
    It's San Miguel making the decision for them and doing smart business.
    As far as our little niche market of craft and "craft". This is just following in the footprint of what AbInBev did when it started brewing Goose Island 312 and so forth at more convenient facilities in their own holdings and which made distribution of fresh GI product in those footprints a whole lot easier, and also cheaper in the face of rising fuel costs.
     
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  2. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    It's an opportunity knocking, it makes sense. Will contract brewing All Day allow for more of their high end stuff to be brewed? They're side projects are really good and I'm assuming profitable. There's an opportunity right there.

    InBev and GI I'd say worked out pretty well despite the infection issue which could have happened to anyone, and changing the format size. It wasn't to long ago the Bcbs was an impossible get outside of Chicago and the immediate vicinity. Now it's available most everywhere, even a bit of a goof here on most of the variants, they were here but we're not allowed to sell because they exceeded abv limits.
     
  3. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    The last I knew, San Miguel was very much a minority owner (30%) of both Founders and Avery, so it is more likely they are greasing the skids than that they are making decisions.
     
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  4. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    FYI, Being co owned by the same company does not guarantee that the two formerly independent breweries are being centrally controlled in their decision making by the single minority owner of both. (By definition Minority owners may influence but do not control, especially in cases where there is existing strong management already present in each of the two minority owned breweries.) So it is quite possible that it is indeed a result of the reps of the two breweries putting their heads together and coming up with ways to enhance each other's strengths and minimize each other's weaknesses.
     
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  5. jvgoor3786

    jvgoor3786 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,222) May 28, 2015 Arkansas
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    This has been covered by a couple posts, but does anyone know what level of decision-influence 30% ownership gets you? It can't be coincidence both of them are minority owned by the same company, can it?

    Founders already has a separate facility for barrel aging and experimental beers. I'm not sure this will impact that production. If you ever get to their taproom, they always have tons of unusual beers on the menu.
     
  6. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    It gets them influence as far as their cash goes, for one thing. And, it is certainly not a coincidence. I imagine a conversation something like this:

    Mr. Founders: Hey, San, how about some cash?
    Mr. San Miguel: Why?
    F: Because our most popular beers - All Day IPA, for example - are dominating our brewing capacity, making it difficult for us to produce our seasonals and other occasional beers, so we want to expand our capacity.
    SM: Funny you should ask that. I was just talking with Mr. Avery the other day about how to make better use of his excess capacity. Do you want me to set something up so you can talk with him about that?
    F: Sure. That sounds like a great idea! Thanks!
     
  7. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    They probably want stuff the CostCo member will buy on the regular rather than make more esoteric stuff that is increasingly in the weeds with so many other options also shooting for the same titillated customer.
    I'd imagine this will free up some tank real estate that is otherwise tied up with All Day to introduce some new stuff, or it is about making more room in the cellar for them to ramp up the production of Solid Gold. Hopefully it really just means that Reds Rye will be in bottles again. But, I'm going to hedge towards them really pushing hard on Solid Gold.
     
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  8. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey

    That would depend on many things If that 30% makes them the largest single shareholder they would have a lot of say in things. The Busch Family owned less than 5% of Anheuser-Busch but still ran the company as they saw fit.
     
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  9. MNAle

    MNAle Initiate (0) Sep 6, 2011 Minnesota

    AB was a publicly-traded company, AFAIK, neither Founders nor Avery are.
     
  10. dennis3951

    dennis3951 Initiate (0) Mar 6, 2008 New Jersey

    I know just trying to point out that % of ownership does not always reflect how much influence the party might have.
     
  11. Oktoberfiesta

    Oktoberfiesta Initiate (0) Nov 16, 2013 New Mexico

    Will it be cheaper or just fresher? I don't mind an occasional 15 pack but the value on any Other regular format is pretty bad. I don't want a $9?session IPA when regular ipas are that same price.

    Now pc pils, I feel that's worth the $9. Most lager/pils are worth it. Session ipas have absolutely zero for me 90% of the time.
     
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  12. jvgoor3786

    jvgoor3786 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,222) May 28, 2015 Arkansas
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    Usually their 15 packs are about $15.
     
  13. Averwo

    Averwo Initiate (0) Jul 4, 2013 Iowa

    Meh. Who cares when you can get Mosaic Promise 15 packs for $18 bucks. If .8% ABV matters to you or if you plan on drinking all day anyway then you need to check yourself and your priorities or learn to moderate. The whole "All Day" think is such a stupid gimmick.
     
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  14. nc41

    nc41 Initiate (0) Sep 25, 2008 North Carolina
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    It is that, but then again I'm being "redundant". Grab a nice Pils, whatever there alternatives. There's nothing you can suck down all day without repurcutions, that's where being an adult come in.
     
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