Does Anybody Like Brut IPA?

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  1. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Maybe if you fermented with WY3711 under cooler fermentation conditions?

    Cheers!
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    For your consideration @AZBeerDude72 recently posted below:

    I pulled the info from my local guy for the above pic I posted, they did their version of a Brut which is why they are more hazy in appearance.
    "Officially a new Brut IPA on the market; our twist on this newly introduced brewing style, Brutal Nature. Unlike the typical way to brew a Brut; with a special enzyme to further break down sugars to create extra dryness, instead we used a combination of English and Belgian yeast in co-fermentation plus cracked kernels of yellow corn to enhance dry characteristics. Brewed with a majority of AZ grown and malted Sinagua Malt and dry hopped with Lemondrop, Ekuanot, and Jarrylo hops. A light and easy IPA with a subtle body and bitterness".

    Cheers!
     
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  3. StoutSnob40

    StoutSnob40 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,611) Jan 4, 2013 California
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    Champagne yeast is good in sours, but I don't care for it in IPAs. They seem bland and watery to me. Ready for that style to die off already.
     
  4. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    Champagne yeast not usually used in Brut IPAs...most are made with conventional ale strains along with Gamma-Amylase.
     
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  5. miniditka77

    miniditka77 Pundit (953) May 21, 2015 Illinois
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    I have tried maybe 3-4 of them, and they have all been only OK. One thing I’ll say though is that they go better with food than most IPAs, which I generally think overwhelm most food.
     
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    That is basically consistent with my experience to date but I am hopeful that I will drink some 'good' Brut IPAs in the future?

    Cheers!
     
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  7. Smakawhat

    Smakawhat Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,191) Mar 18, 2008 Maryland
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    I have had only one, it was from El Segundo and I really enjoyed it.

    Would like to try more of them....

     
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  8. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    I always ferment my saisons relatively cool (under 70*F)...but there are always massive phenols present
    (relative to many neutral yeasts)
     
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  9. deleted_user_1111368

    deleted_user_1111368 Initiate (0) Feb 21, 2016 Delaware

    Didn't really like the 2 I tried, but that won't rule out another go ..if'n I'm feeling froggy.
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    And in those beer have you used 2-3 ounces of a hop like Citra for end of boil plus 4+ ounces of a hop like Citra for dry hopping?

    Cheers!
     
  11. GreenKrusty101

    GreenKrusty101 Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2008 Nevada

    No...hoppy Saisons aren't at the top of my "to do" list...might have to give it a try when I run out of Gamma Amylase (only 97 more batches to go :slight_smile:)
     
  12. Wrigfen

    Wrigfen Savant (1,146) Feb 23, 2013 South Carolina
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    I wish I could help you, but have not sampled any yet. I will look for some by one of the top brewers and let you know my experience.
    Cheers
     
  13. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    There are Saison yeasts that are Diastaticus strains. These produce the amyloglucosidase enzyme, and result in a very low Final Gravity. These strains are almost all POF possitve, which means you get phenolics. Bruts use a clean yeast and the enzyme, so you get a different result.
     
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  14. BeerPugz

    BeerPugz Initiate (0) Dec 4, 2016 Wisconsin

    Wish I saw this thread earlier. Was looking at Ommegang Brut IPA yesterday, but passed. Wish the store was selling single bottles. So it's just a hoppy saison?
     
  15. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    No, it isn't. Brut IPA typically (should?) obtains its dry character via the use of an enzyme (amyloglucosidase) to convert all sugars to be fermentable. There was just some question/discussion about whether utilizing a Saison yeast strain could be an 'equivalent' process. The 'debate' is whether the phenols that are typically developed during the fermentation with the Saison yeast strain would be a 'distracting' element to the overall flavor profile. Maybe if you used a shit-ton of hops (e.g., end of boil, dry hopping) the phenol flavors would be overwhelmed?

    Cheers!
     
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  16. VoxRationis

    VoxRationis Initiate (0) Dec 11, 2016 New York
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    I've had four: The Brut Squad by Fair State (MN), Seco by Thirsty Bear (CA), Hot Pink, a collaboration by Collective Arts and Aslin (ON), and Hop Hammock by 21st Amendment (CA). I enjoyed them: they were all pretty dry, crisp, and flavorful and each rated around a 4 on this site. Definitely aiming at the beer alternative to a sparkling white wine. The dryness (and clarity) is a nice change of pace from the increasing sweetness I have been seeing in so many IPAs, porters, and stouts.
     
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  17. IroquoisPlisken

    IroquoisPlisken Crusader (455) May 21, 2013 Ohio

    I thought Stone's Brut Enjoy By was pretty good. The dryness (and abv) limits me to one of them but it's still pretty decent. That being said, I'd rather have normal Enjoy By. I had Stillwater's Extra Extra and thought that was okay as well. I guess that's the problem. The two I've had are just "pretty good" or "okay." I certainly prefer normal west coast style IPAs so I'm guessing I won't be revisiting Brut IPAs any time soon.
     
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  18. Dansac

    Dansac Pundit (912) Dec 6, 2014 California
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    I definitely like the idea of doing a dry-as-a-bone, low malt, IPA that lets the hop shine through without any gimmicks. Unfortunately, like with everything else, it falls on the brewer to pull it off, and so far the only one that really impressed me was by El Segundo.
     
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  19. jaxon53

    jaxon53 Pooh-Bah (2,235) Mar 1, 2006 Connecticut
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    No. I miss the days of clear, bitter IPA's that were delicious, and not $20+ per 4 pack.
     
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  20. nebula1999

    nebula1999 Savant (1,226) Jul 29, 2006 Connecticut

    I've only had one, and it was good. Had a really nice aroma and mouthfeel. It was "Thimble Island Super Dry Hopped Brut IPA".
     
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