Rice vs. Corn Syrup in Beer

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  1. Squire

    Squire Grand Pooh-Bah (4,385) Jul 16, 2015 Mississippi
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    Ad execs I've known told me the purpose of a commercial was to get people to try the product. I know my own tastes well enough not to be swayed but the images are arresting. I mean, I still remember the Budweiser Frogs and the Swedish Bikini Girls parachuting in with chilled cans of Old Milwaukee but neither ad changed my buying habits. Of course if the girls would make a personal delivery, well . . .
     
  2. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Yeah, I kinda was wondering the same thing via this post in the OP: "Is corn syrup in general frowned upon (an association with High Fructose Corn Syrup?)?"

    If this was indeed the 'subliminal message' that AB InBev intended then this is a shame since neither Miller or Coors (or AB InBev for that matter with Busch, Natural Light, Bud Ice,...) are brewing with HFCS.

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    Cheers!
     
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    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  4. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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  5. EmperorBatman

    EmperorBatman Zealot (741) Mar 16, 2018 Tennessee

    It seems like Bud Light has really been playing up this angle since after the Super Bowl, as I’ve seen ads elsewhere such as the automated online ones that push the same line about rice over corn syrup. It’s getting exhausting.
     
  6. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Well, I've been thinking of putting together a page for Post-Repeal US beers other than Budweiser that used rice as adjunct (there were quite a few, many well-known, including Coors - also noted above in post #14 - Rheingold, Stroh's, Yuengling, etc.) but since I had the info available, I threw together a century's worth of Anhueser-Busch info on their rice usage - RICE IN BUDWEISER.

    Well, Pabst (in the 1970s) did note that they used cooked cereal grains, not syrup and bragged about being the only brewer that "milled much of its own corn". And by the 1970s, Schlitz claimed to use rice or corn.

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  7. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    Personally corn and rice in beer don't worry me, but Miller and Coors would be wise to point out that rice has higher levels of arsenic in it than corn to really get this beer war revitalized.
     
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  8. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    It's called a "knee-jerk" reaction for a reason :wink:.
     
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  9. TongoRad

    TongoRad Grand Pooh-Bah (3,884) Jun 3, 2004 New Jersey
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    Too many midnight movies? :sunglasses:
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Michael (@TongoRad), you are on a roll!:slight_smile:

    Cheers!
     
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  11. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    Related news.... https://www.agweb.com/article/farmers-smeared-by-smirnoff-over-non-gmo-label/
    [Brief Summary: In late 2018 Smirnoff launched a marketing campaign highlighting that it is non-GMO. A Kansas farmer who also owned a liquor store decided to stop selling Smirnoff, and has received local and nation wide support]

    There is an cultural undercurrent against corn and other aspects of modern farming, but US farmers are also standing up for facts and science.
     
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  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Good for the farmers!

    Cheers!
     
  13. Boomer4ES

    Boomer4ES Initiate (0) Jan 31, 2012 North Carolina

    I don't really understand why there is a question about whether rice is better than corn syrup. If you don't want any adjuncts in your beer, fine. Don't drink them. No problem. Rice is used to some degree of frequency in craft brewing as well. I'm not sure that I have ever heard of craft beer being made with corn syrup.

    The simple point of distinction to me is this. I would gladly sit down and eat a bowl of rice. It is a whole grain, grown in the ground, and uprocessed. None of this can be said about corn syrup.
     
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  14. Boomer4ES

    Boomer4ES Initiate (0) Jan 31, 2012 North Carolina

    What evidence do you have that the Busch brands are made with corn syrup? I can find information from less than reliable sources that suggests they use corn, but I can't find anything that says they use corn syrup.
     
  15. pat61

    pat61 Initiate (0) Dec 29, 2010 Minnesota

    The earlier skirmishes in the rice vs corn wars were about the grains and not rice vs corn syrup. High fructose corn syrup (HFCS), which I think is the target now, began penetrating the market in the 1970s and did not achieve dominance until the 1990s. HFCS makes an easy target because all kinds of claims of health problems have swirled around it since it entered the market but I can not imagine how any of the alleged claims could have any impact on it once the yeast gets ahold of the stuff.
     
  16. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    @JackHorzempa posted this link above. InBev list ingredients for all of it's drinks
    https://www.tapintoyourbeer.com/become_beermaster.cfm
     
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  17. NickTheGreat

    NickTheGreat Maven (1,470) Oct 28, 2010 Iowa
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    I grew up in Farm Country and still work in an AG related business. I didn't care for the ad, but it's not all that surprising.

    I grow tired of AB-Inbev and their hypocritical ads. When I toured the brewery in early 2000's, I'm pretty sure they told us that Busch and Busch Light are brewed with corn syrup. So I would think it would make more sense to keep the corn syrup on site and use it for Busch than it would be to send it all the way to Colorado for Coors . . . :wink:

    But then again, this is the company that makes ads mocking craft beer, all while buying up craft breweries. :rolling_eyes:
     
  18. StoutElk_92

    StoutElk_92 Grand Pooh-Bah (4,045) Oct 30, 2015 Massachusetts
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    It's just gmo rice instead of gmo corn syrup, congrats Bud on being so much better than Miller/Coors and your other owned brands. Obviously a marketing scheme to make their product look better somehow. Not necessarily so imo.
     
  19. donspublic

    donspublic Grand Pooh-Bah (3,552) Aug 4, 2014 Texas
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    Nice can't wait to see the Miller/Coors add that riffs this and has someone tell them "no that isn't ours, take it back, it is for your Busch and Bud Ice production line."
     
  20. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    There were a lot of posts on the Bud Lite twitter page from some group complaining about how bad corn itself is for the environment and commending them for not using it in any form. Maybe InBev should go all in against big corn...
     
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