Rice vs. Corn Syrup in Beer

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  1. SFACRKnight

    SFACRKnight Grand Pooh-Bah (3,348) Jan 20, 2012 Colorado
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    Coors > bud by a mile, InBev had to do something. Monsanto may be involved as well.
     
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  2. Ceddd99

    Ceddd99 Zealot (609) May 14, 2018 Michigan
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    I don't know if corn is worse for the environment than other grains but I do think its true that corn has gotten a bad name of late.

    This is because of books like the Omnivores dilemma where Michael Pollan describes how cheap corn is and how it has come to be in so many products as a result. He uses the example of a meal at Mcdonald's where the drink is sweetened with high fructose corn syrup, the bun contains corn and the burger was made from a cow that was raised on corn, which is bad for cows since they prefer to eat grass.
     
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  3. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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    Well, the day that brewers use soy is the day that I will avoid those brewers any way I can. Probably not fermentable so I have nothing to worry aboot..
     
  4. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    If you never travel to Japan maybe you are safe?

    Kirin Nodogoshi is brewed with soy protein.

    https://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/292/25476/

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  5. Bitterbill

    Bitterbill Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,036) Sep 14, 2002 Wyoming
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  6. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    LOL :grin:

    I have some ‘bad’ news for you:

    “Kirin Nodogoshi is the top-selling new-genre “beer” in Japan.”

    http://www.lowgluten.org/kirin-nodogoshi-nama/

    Like I said above: stay out of Japan and you are safe.

    Cheers!
     
  7. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Too late.:grin: Apparently because of the various grain shortages and rationing during WWII, "soya beans" were used as a brewing adjunct, as noted in this page from the 1946 ed. of the MBAA's THE PRACTICAL BREWER:
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    ¼ lb. per barrel, tho' - that quantity makes SNPA look like it's as sugar-loaded as a kid's breakfast cereal, comparatively.
     
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  8. steveh

    steveh Grand Pooh-Bah (4,174) Oct 8, 2003 Illinois
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    Because you didn't think I'd like it, or because you found it good too?

    FWIW -- I haven't tried Heineken's new Zero alcohol beer -- I have the feeling it's another unfermented wort beer... but I'll give it one chance.
     
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  9. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    If they just add wort, it is Speise. Actively fermenting wort and yeast is Krausening. The first depends on yeast in suspension, the second adds active visble yeast.

    Small point, but a difference.
     
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  10. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    Jeff, what i posted was a quote .

    Cheers!
     
  11. hopfenunmaltz

    hopfenunmaltz Pooh-Bah (2,647) Jun 8, 2005 Michigan
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    No attributes for that quote?
     
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  12. Roadkizzle

    Roadkizzle Initiate (0) Nov 6, 2007 Texas

    They dispose of the rice grains. The only part of the rice that goes into Bud Light fermenting tanks is the sugar extracted from the grains. There is no difference from using a syrup and using raw grains. In both cases processing gelatinizes the starches and extracts the sugars. The only question is this done on brew day or sometime before.

    You should really be asking yourself if you'd like to eat a big bowl of corn syrup or a big bowl of rice syrup.

    But even then both are just sugars. And you don't get any of it left in the bottle regardless if it's Bud Light or Miller Lite. The yeast breaks down the dextrose from the corn syrup just as readily as it breaks down the sugars from the rice.
     
  13. SierraTerence

    SierraTerence Zealot (649) Mar 14, 2007 California

    We saw that today and we are trying to clear it up.

    We use dextrose as a bottle conditioning sugar but it is sourced from potatoes that are non-GMO. I know years ago some of the dextrose would come from tapioca. We did try some malt based dextrose but we couldn't find any that didn't affect the flavor too much (big malty finish).
     
  14. islay

    islay Savant (1,211) Jan 6, 2008 Minnesota

    What a relief! Everyone knows that corn follows the dark side but potatoes and tapioca are aligned with the light side.

    In seriousness, I appreciate the correction of the record, but the fact that other companies are scrambling to disassociate themselves from corn or, if that's impossible, to spread the blame for using corn shows just how effective those Bud Light ads were. Silly as this all is, the national conversation with respect to beer has shifted markedly in just a day or two.
     
  15. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    It is a bit funny to see how the US brewing industry vilified syrups and sugars even though the use of such ingredients would surely have been beneficial in achieving the desired dryness and lightness which they have been touting and striving for for decades upon decades. Just goes to show how bad an image such ingredients have had I guess (and of course the turn of the century health scares involving glucose or prohibition-era homebrew/bootleg brew probably contributed to this image).

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  16. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Well, some members of the industry did - the ones, usually, that didn't use them - (AB in the current case one of the notable exceptions). Nearly a century and half ago:

    "Some … substitutes for barley malt are used by a portion of the… members of
    ‘The Association of the United Lager Beer Brewers of New York City and Vicinity'…Corn, not malted, but in the form of glucose ... are used, in proportions varying from 5 to 20 per cent. (Glucose is a liquid form of grape sugar.) The brewers who use any of these substances propose to discontinue their use whenever... any one … establish as a fact that they are adulterations, or are deleterious in beer.”
     
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  17. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    Right, that part should have been worded less definitively, since as you point out there were differences of (publically stated) opinion on the topic.
     
  18. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    I picked up a sixer of Heineken 0.0 last week on a whim. For what it is, it's not bad IMO. You have to keep your expectations in check of course. It's passable as a light beer, has some mild bitterness, and does not taste like grape nut soda to me.
     
  19. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    A response from the Miller Lite folks to the Bud Light ad:

    “Miller Lite Responds to Bud Light’s Super Bowl Ad

    The rivalry between Miller Lite and Bud Light is up there with Pepsi vs. Coca-Cola, and after this year’s Super Bowl, it just got way more heated.

    This year, Anheuser-Busch used their Super Bowl ad time to call out their competitors for using corn syrup in their brewing processes, implying that it’s added to beer as a sweetener. This comes days after Bud Light became the first big beer company to start printing an ingredients list, reveling in the fact that they only have four.

    The ad references both Miller Lite and Coors Light, who do in fact use corn syrup in their brewing processes. Many nutritionists and scientists have spoken out on their behalves, CNBC reports, claiming that corn syrup never actually ends up in the beer because the sugars are consumed by yeast during the fermentation process.

    On Tuesday, Miller Lite decided to speak for themselves, posting this hotly-worded statement on Twitter, captioned “About Sunday…Kinda strange to start such a #corntroversy over something that’s not even in your beer. Share this if you agree.”:

    “Dear Beer Drinkers of America,” it begins. “You may have seen an ad on the Big Game going to great lengths to explain that Miller Lite is brewed with ‘corn syrup,’ while Bud Light is not. That’s a fact. Miller Lite is indeed brewed with ‘corn syrup.’ We’d like to thank our competitors for taking the time and money to point out this exciting fact to such a large, national audience not once, but twice.”

    They go on that the corn syrup is actually what makes Miller Lite “taste so great” and note that there is a difference between corn syrup and high-fructose corn syrup. “To be clear, corn syrup is a normal part of the brewing process used by many of your favorite brewers and does not even end up in the beers you enjoy as it gets consumed by the yeast during the fermentation process,” the statement reads.

    “It’s unfortunate that our competitor’s Big Game ad created an unnecessary #corntroversy,” they add. “However, we thank them for starting this conversation on such a big stage because it allows us to clarify the truth and remind beer drinkers that Miller Lite has more taste than Bud Light with fewer calories and half that carbs.”

    Cheers!
     
  20. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    I would have paid to be a fly on the wall in Miller Lite HQ on Monday morning.
     
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