Rice vs. Corn Syrup in Beer

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  1. SudsDoctor

    SudsDoctor Pooh-Bah (1,739) Nov 23, 2008 New York
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    I would have paid to be able to read the, um, urgently worded texts I'm sure were flying back and forth Sunday night.
     
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  2. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Don't know who wrote that* but besides the fact that Bud Light isn't a "company" (nor are Miller Lite or Coors Light people: "...Miller Lite and Coors Light, who do in fact use corn syrup in their brewing processes." :rolling_eyes:), ingredients have been listed on beer labels for many decades and it has nothing to do with the current voluntary "Serving Facts" the TTB's Ruling 2013-2 now allows.

    Like on this pre-Pro Budweiser label:
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    * Appears to be a copy/paste of a PEOPLE magazine article.
     
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  3. SierraTerence

    SierraTerence Zealot (649) Mar 14, 2007 California

    Okay... Look for it. I believe Ken is releasing a statement today.

    It goes over that we do use dextrose that is made from 100% non-GMO ingredients.
     
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  4. Boomer4ES

    Boomer4ES Initiate (0) Jan 31, 2012 North Carolina

    In a perfectly attenuated beer, you would be correct, but I have a hard time believing that either is that cleanly fermented. At that point, I would still choose the rice over the the corn. miller lite tastes like rotten corn to me, and Bud Light just tastes like a light beer. I will never argue with lite's claim that they have more flavor. They 100% do, but it's just not something I'm really interested in ever tasting. At least rice is pretty much nondescript, and I do think it adds something of a smoothness to the beer that corn syrup does not. Just my opinion on all of the above.
     
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  5. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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  6. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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  7. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    I also think the best thing Miller could do is to play along and respond in a similar way playing up the medieval kingdom theme and marketing, but pushing their own message in the "corn wars." It doesn't matter who is right, it matters that it would generate interest and the battle would keep macro lagers interesting and relevant for consumers in a time when people are losing interest in macro lagers....
     
  8. NickTheGreat

    NickTheGreat Maven (1,470) Oct 28, 2010 Iowa
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    Yeah that's doubling down, not backtracking. Why don't they talk about all the AB-Inbev products brewed with corn?
     
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  9. HouseofWortship

    HouseofWortship Pooh-Bah (2,735) May 3, 2016 Illinois
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    Bourbon County Stout being aged in barrels that formerly contained distilled corn juice!
     
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  10. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Where are we supposed to be looking for Grossman's statement?
    (Oh, don't tell me I've got to open another phony Face book account :grin:).

    Well, "bad" for Budweiser and Bud Light anyway:
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  11. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    That is a rhetorical question, right?

    Cheers!
     
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  12. JackHorzempa

    JackHorzempa Grand Pooh-Bah (3,375) Dec 15, 2005 Pennsylvania
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    JK, while you are waiting for the latest announcement you may be interested in reading the below (see text highlighted in bold). It would appear that since the below e-mail from Rick they have gone with no corn derived dextrose?

    Cheers!

    “Sierra Nevada Torpedo Extra IPA is Vegan Friendly

    by Sierra Nevada Brewing Co.

    Address:

    1075 East 20th Street
    Chico, California, 95928
    USA

    Phone:

    530-893-3520

    Fax:


    Email:

    [email protected]

    URL:

    http://www.sierranevada.com/

    Checked by:

    Scott

    Double checked by:

    Christian B., Emory, Chris, Mario

    Added:

    over 4 years ago

    Company email (October 2017)
    "We no longer use lactose sugar as an ingredient in our Coffee Stout."

    Company email (January 2017) re Otra Vez:
    "We do not use any animal byproducts in the production process and most of our beers are brewed with water, malt, hops and yeast only. Otra Vez also contains cactus, grapefruit and coriander. However, our beer is not certified vegan, and there are many different definitions on what that entails. We do always post our ingredients online for each beer here: http://www.sierranevada.com/beer/year-round/otra-vez. We only brew our beer at our breweries in Chico, CA and Mills River, NC"

    Company email (October 2014):
    "To start from the top, we brew all of our beer at our own facilities in Chico, CA and in Mills River, NC and we do not use any animal products in the processing or filtration of our product. Most of our regular production brews do not contain any of the listed ingredients either, and are made from Water, Malt, Hops and Yeast. However we brew many specialty beers that occasionally use additional ingredients like honey and lactose sugar. Your best resources is our website, that lists the ingredients for all of our beers: http://www.sierranevada.com/beer. Note: the Coffee Stout available in the Snow Pack now does contain lactose sugar, which is listed online."

    Company email via Rick:
    Sierra Nevada Brewing Co. uses the highest quality and most natural brewing ingredients while utilizing the very best brewing practices. This allows us to create ales and lagers with superior flavor, aroma, balance and character.

    All our bottled beer is brewed, filtered and packaged without the use of isinglass, bone char or any other animal byproduct. Our beers are brewed with two row malted barley, whole cone hops, yeast and water.

    Sierra Nevada Pale Ale is one of our bottle conditioned beers. Bottle conditioning is unique to our style of beer. We dose back a small amount of yeast in the bottle. The yeast ferments the priming sugar and creates the finish carbonation and flavors unique to our beer. Currently, we are using very small amounts (less than 1/2 of 1% by weight) of potentially four different GMO free dextrose's in our priming's, some of the starch may have been derived from corn but is converted to nearly 100% fermentable sugar and is completely converted to alcohol and CO2.

    We do not brew with Carmel colors, adjuncts (rice, corn grits, corn syrup).

    http://www.barnivore.com/products/21216-sierra-nevada-torpedo-extra-ipa

    Cheers!
     
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  13. islay

    islay Savant (1,211) Jan 6, 2008 Minnesota

    I think MillerCoors is in a tough spot, because they really don't want to emphasize that they use corn, especially corn "syrup" (which sounds too much like the high-fructose corn syrup bogeyman), both because of the general aversion to malt adjuncts among beer drinkers and because corn in particular has been vilified by some health and environmental activists.

    AB InBev has done a marvelous job of mainstreaming rice as a beer ingredient in the public consciousness. I bet if you asked a lot of ordinary beer consumers this week what are the ingredients in beer, they'd tell you rice, hops, and barley, and hopefully not corn syrup (and probably wouldn't even mention water and yeast). That is, many people won't even think of rice as an adjunct but rather as a fundamental ingredient in beer.

    AB InBev does use corn syrup in some of its lower-end brands, for which its typical consumers likely are less health-conscious (or pseudo-health-conscious), less image-conscious (don't mind being seen drinking "the wrong beer"), and more price-sensitive. I.e., they don't care much what's in it as long as it's cheap and will get them buzzed, so sales of those brands won't suffer much from the public's newfound corn-syrup-aversion.
     
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  14. zid

    zid Grand Pooh-Bah (3,132) Feb 15, 2010 New York
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    Because you found a "light" beer to be better than a NA beer. I'd be very surprised if the reverse was the case.
     
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  15. muck1979

    muck1979 Zealot (555) Jul 3, 2005 Minnesota

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  16. Crusader

    Crusader Pooh-Bah (1,725) Feb 4, 2011 Sweden
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    Now all they need to do is to switch over to brewing all-malt to avoid the corn syrup controversy all together, and instead face a consumer uproar when their beer suddenly tastes too heavy and filling. #damnedifyoudodamnedifyoudont #carbspocalypse
     
  17. grapesandgrain

    grapesandgrain Initiate (0) Feb 18, 2015 Australia

    I'm no fan of Bud or Bud light but good on them for not using corn syrup. The main problem with corn syrup isn't the product itself which is bad enough but the vast majority of corn syrup is made using methods than leave traces of toxic chemicals simply because it's cheaper to make it that way.

    Corn Syrup should have no place in beer or food there are so many better alternatives. Date sugar palm sugar maple sugar coconut sugar agave the list goes on and on this is why we need a ingredient label for beer.

    I will never knowingly buy a beer that uses corn syrup.
     
  18. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    The corn syrup doesn't end up in your beer, it becomes food for the yeast. Corn syrup poop ends up in your beer. Have a problem with that? :poop::wink:
     
  19. Ranbot

    Ranbot Pooh-Bah (2,463) Nov 27, 2006 Pennsylvania
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    To produce those alternatives in comparable levels to corn you would likely use just as much chemicals and/or far more land area would need to be farmed, which isn't good for environment either.

    And the suggestion of maple sugar is particularly comical to anyone that knows the logistics and costs of making maple syrup.

    There are certainly ways corn production could be done better to have less environmental impact, but don't throw the baby out with bathwater.
     
  20. MikeyBadnews

    MikeyBadnews Zealot (635) Dec 10, 2013 Massachusetts

    Bud Light, Coors Light, MIller Lite... its like Dodge, Ford, Chevy. People re loyal to their brands. And if they are loyal Coors drinkers and hear its made with corn syrup then they'll just assume beer tastes better with corn syrup.
     
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