Fermentation still going on after 10 days

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  1. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    I brewed an IPA about 11 days ago and it is still bubbling every 10 seconds and looks like their is still what I like to call "boiling" activity with particulate still rising and falling but not as much as this past weekend. Still a small layer of krausen. By my calculations I am supposed to have around 6%abv. I did not take a gravity reading unfortunately as I was in a hurry. I used a 1L yeast starter of 1056/Chico strain .Temp has been a constant 66 degrees with no changes. I have never had one take this long. Any thoughts?
     
  2. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    I think you should take a gravity reading now. And another one in 2 days.
     
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  3. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    I will but I don't see why that will help. There's nothing I can do but let it continue. I just want to know what's up. I've been doing this for a few years now and this has never happened. It is my first yeast starter though.
     
  4. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    It will help because you will see if it's done. The airlock is NOT always a sign of fermentation.

    I bet you that beer was done by day 3, 4 at most. What you see now is just barometric pressure changes in the atmosphere, paired with possible temperature fluctuations, causing the airlock bubble. Or you have contaminated beer.

    Take a gravity reading. It's likely been done for close to a week now.
     
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  5. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia


    I know all of what you just said. I don't trust airlocks when it comes to this because 95% of the time at this stage it is just gassing off CO2. This has visual signs IN the beer. I can see the activity. white flecks rising and falling. its definitely not done. I only take gravity reading once that stops. I used to start dry hopping after 2 weeks and do that a week and then bottle so that's 5 weeks STF. I now do primary for an extra week just to be on the safe side. I think it tastes better too giving the yeast extra time to clean up. I only dry hop for a week and never add hops more than 4 days before bottling. . so now on IPAs I have a 6 week stf. I do 7 on DIPAs. This is just my first time with a yeast starter as well as whirlfloc. im only 11 days in but I just wanted input. The longest I have seen this going in is 6-7 days and that was the middle of summer when my wort temp got up to like 74-76 on a NEIPA
     
  6. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Yeast flocs and other particles slightly denser than the beer can rise, buoyed by CO2, and then fall again. Your beer's attenuation may or may not be done. Thus the suggested gravity readings. If it's not done, there could be many reasons. Most likely would be weak/insufficient yeast.
     
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  7. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    I doubt its the yeast. I overpitched. but thanks for the feedback
     
  8. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    How do you know that?
     
  9. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    well I don't have a microscope but I used mr. malty pitch calc. im 90% sure. I had 100ML of slurry i made into a 1L starter from my local brewery. im friends with the owner
     
  10. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    Slurry can be a bitch to estimate, both cells counts and viability. But to be clear, I don't really think it's likely that you have a yeast problem. I think it's likely there's no problem at all. Yeast only becomes a likely culprit if attenuation isn't finished.
     
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  11. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    @hoji813

    Why are you SO against just taking a reading? Everybody is trying to help, but you constantly just fire back on reasons why we are wrong. A hydrometer reading is the ONLY way to know, so just do it.

    You are making this a far bigger issue than it needs to be, when the solution is so simple.

    I still bet you that beer was finished days ago.
     
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  12. Dave_S

    Dave_S Crusader (429) May 18, 2017 England

    TBF, they did say that they were going to.

    But I agree generally - if ten years of debugging software has taught me nothing else, it's never a bad idea to double-check your assumptions, particularly if you can't think of any way they can possibly be wrong.
     
  13. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    that's true. im just being overly cautious. this is my second recipe from scratch so im paranoid. I can smell the co2 coming from the airlock and its a citra hop bomb! I don't think its a yeast problem either.

    Dude relax. im not firing back saying anyone is wrong except about me having weak yeast. So stop being so harsh. I already said why Im not taking a reading at this moment because of how it looks. There is no point in doing it at this juncture. I ferment in my basement and I have gotten contamination from constantly opening it and taking readings. No bueno. And it was the air, not my sanitation. I'm in no hurry. its only been 11 days and i have plenty of beer at my house. Time is on my side. Im just asking questions so I don't have to in the future. And I guarantee you it is not done yet, much less days ago. I could still see foam bubbling on the top for pete's sake. I don't do readings before 14 days and it has worked out so far.
     
  14. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia

    yeah I troubleshoot electronics for a living. I have a system I never deviate from. In this hobby one has to cover all the bases
     
  15. VikeMan

    VikeMan Grand Pooh-Bah (3,067) Jul 12, 2009 Pennsylvania
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    If a mid-gravity beer with Wyeast 1056, at 66F, isn't done attenuating after 11 days, there's a problem with yeast health, yeast count, or something about the wort you're not telling us that is ******ing the yeast.
     
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  16. invertalon

    invertalon Pooh-Bah (2,249) Jan 27, 2009 Ohio
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    @hojo813

    Still bet it's done. I have had krausen thick and foamy on top of finished beer that never 'broke' and when I racked that beer into a keg I couldn't see the top surface of the beer. Depends on the yeast and the beer itself. You also see 'activity' of particles up/down due to CO2 and atmospheric pressure and temperature. Physics does some cool stuff...

    Unless your yeast is flawed/unhealthy or temps too cold for the yeast... Nothing but an underpitched lager (not counting sours and those funky strains) will take more than 7 days tops to ferment out. I have never, ever seen it in my 70+ batches now with both ales/lagers... Ales have ALWAYS, even high gravity stuff, finish in 3-4 days to FG.
     
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  17. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia


    come to think of it I did leave out some information...I brewed on Jan. 27 and pitched that night into very cold wort. my thermometer was saying it was 20 degrees hotter than it really was. Doing extract by the way. By the time I added the cold tap water to get 5.5 gallons it was like in the low 50s. I had to get some sleep and pitched anyway. Starter was at room temperature. It was a delayed start to fermentation. I didn't see any physical signs until Tuesday evening. So by my eyes its only been fermenting roughly 9 days. The krausen has fallen. Who knows? it might be all good when I get home. I will update this thread when I take a GRAVITY READING...
     
  18. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    Regardless of their appearing to be activity, and all what you said here about there being a couple things new to your process. The yeast are more than likely done, and there's just some residual activity taking place. Sometimes that's just what happens, and that's why you take your first gravity much sooner than your 14 days, and waiting until such and such about airlock activity. I'm a visual person through and through. But, understanding that visual activity through also having a gravity reading is the most important base to have covered.

    Oh, you pitched it low. There's your answer right there. They are going to behave different coming in cooler, and work slower. Still. You should take gravity readings more frequently, and sooner.
     
  19. hojo813

    hojo813 Initiate (0) Aug 3, 2018 Virginia


    so as a rule of thumb: take a reading before pitching and then a week and 2 days after until it stabilizes sound good? and thank you by the way for a straight answer. I should have included all of my data originally. I have been up since 4am and I have a 9 month old at home that is teething!!!!. my bad.
     
  20. MostlyNorwegian

    MostlyNorwegian Pooh-Bah (2,236) Feb 5, 2013 Illinois
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    Brewday I take at least four separate samples for my refractometer. If I'm doing a batch sparge brew, I want to know what gravity my 1st and 2nd runnings are. Because that's what my pre boil gravity is going to be when I brew a split batch from one grain bill.
    If I'm doing a full yield, I need to know first runnings, and how low or high it finishes when I cut my sparge off. Nice to know for the note keeping, and if I ever decide to care about efficiency. It's essential to keep track of.
    Then I get post boil gravity, which is where the race begins, and if my number matches what my estimated gravity was. I'm super happy, because that's what matters to me most on brew days. Hitting that number.
    Post brew day. I stick to using a refractometer and plug its numbers in to beersmith to convert. Most of the time, primary fermentation is done in about 2 to 3 days. So I like to take a reading around day 3 or 4 to check in on that number and where it's at in relation to what my software has estimated. With the kviek yeasts I use now for most IPA related stuff. I am finished up in about a week and typically bottle it a week or so after I brew it. If I'm using something else. It depends, but usually I'm bottling it at 3 weeks, unless it's a sour or big beer.
     
    #20 MostlyNorwegian, Feb 7, 2019
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