Anchor Brewing Co. employees are unionizing

You are confused, please show me where I said Union = Socialist?
I said I was pissed that they worked with socialist to get what they want. You mean to tell me they could not organize and go union without the help of a socialist group?

 

Here is a clue, maybe read the posts above to get an idea of what the conversation has been, the only one not making sense would be you. You do comprehend how conversations work right. Person A says something person B responds, etc. See I am having an adult conversation with another poster and we are going back and fourth about things, that is called talking. Your posting as if what I am saying is about the OP post? LOL please read before making accusations.

 

Lets just agree to disagree on this. I don't want to get into a long drawn out debate we obviously are on separate sides with this and its not worth arguing over anyway. Cheers to a good talk and all, glad we got to exchange ideas in a civil way.

 

It's both hilarious and absolutely depressing that you have no understanding how marginal tax rates work, which is the current tax system in the capitalistic paradise you call home.

 

Your first substantial contribution to the thread equates getting help organizing a union from the DSA as 'support [of] socialism'

again associating their unionization effort to embracing socialism

again, anchor employees unionizing=not bad, except that some group with the word socialist in it's name was involved.

So correct, you never said union=socialist, you just repeatedly say that any time anyone who holds socialist political views is involved with anything it is automatically bad, including this specific work place organizing effort. so I guess maybe you said something more like THIS union = socialist.

But you are the one bringing up these hypothetical policies that you are then adamantly claiming are fantastical. You are the one saying this is socialism embraced by this country. All other participants in the conversation are saying 'I'm not sure you understand what the word socialism means in this context' and you are replying 'even if we tax the rich 100% we can never pay for all this free stuff you want!'
That's the out there part.

For my part I wish them the best and will continue to buy my current occasional anchor beer. They do make a good porter and that brewer's recipe pale thing they were doing was nice.
Wasn't steam in tall boy cans for a little bit too? that I would definitely pick up in the summer months

 

Many of the largest unions in the US, particularly the CIO unions of the 1930s - UE, UAW, USW, etc - were built by socialists (and in some cases - oh, no! - communists) and many of those that weren't founded by them, certainly took advantage of the work and support of socialist and other leftists from both inside and outside the union. As noted above, both the old Brewery Workers Union and the union attempting to organize Anchor workers, the ILWU, were noted "left-wing" unions at different points in their histories.

 

The existing laws does not limit the amount of money that you can pay to the Treasury Department. Anybody who wants to contribute more can simply make a payment beyond what the tax code obligates them to do:

"If you want to make a voluntary contribution to the US government, you must do so by sending a separate payment to the Treasury via the Bureau of the Fiscal Service with the notation that it be used to “reduce the debt held by the public”."

Anybody know of a wealthy person who is advocating for higher tax rates who has provided additional funding to the Treasury Department to “reduce the debt held by the public”?

Cheers!

 

Bernie Sanders: "Billionaires should pay their fair share of taxes so we can ensure every man, woman and child in this country receives proper healthcare."

You: "Oh yeah tough guy? If you think that, then why don't you just pay extra taxes that will go directly and only towards the national debt? If you care so much about other Americans, why wouldn't you take you money and put it towards something that doesn't help provide any of the services you advocate for? Haha I exposed you!"

Cheers!

 

No, that is not me at all.

I was simply pointing out that there is no need for a change of legislation if wealthy people want to contribute more to the federal government.

Cheers to you!

 

Yeah, screw these guys for trying to improve their pay and working conditions. They should bow to their corporate overlords and beg for raises that will likely never happen!

 

Yes, and that's partially the reason for this:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...rs-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/

 

You were simply making a bad faith argument that isn't relevant and doesn't prove any points. Not a single "socialist" politician is calling for a reduction of the national debt. Why would Bernie Sanders or AOC or anyone else give their money to be put to the national debt, when their entire platform is not only not about that, but if anything the opposite?

 

You should do some research on Democratic Socialism and its ideals before you make up your mind. Even if you don't support that platform, surely you can recognize that it's generally good for workers to have a more effective method to bargain for better wages and working conditions. Wages in craft brewing are far too low across the board for production, and most of us don't have any real way to effectively fight for better wages outside of organizing.

 

Yes, your linked article did indeed mention a decline of labor unions as one aspect for wage stagnation. Other potential causes were also mentioned:

· “lagging educational attainment relative to other countries”

· “broad employment declines in manufacturing and production sectors”

· “a large pool of potential workers who are outside the formally defined labor force”

· “noncompete clauses and other restrictions on job-switching”

The good news is there are some recent indicators that things may be improving here:

“One lingering ***** in the current economic environment had been that wages actually weren’t growing when adjusted for inflation.

On a variety of measures, that’s just not true anymore.

The latest inflation data from the Labor Department bears that out. One way to look at it is weekly earnings for what are called production and nonsupervisory workers, which rose 1.2% in the 12 months ending December. That’s the fastest growth in more than two years.”

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/o...-are-growing-the-most-in-two-years-2019-01-11

I suppose we should watch this issue closely to see if a positive trend continues?

Volatility on Wall Street is crazy right now so unfortunately things can go south quickly.

Cheers!

 

Have you looked at the profit margins of most craft breweries? Not terribly good. Jack up wages to supracompetitive levels via unions, and prices are going to have to go up too. The places with lines for milkshake IPAs will probably do fine, but the other 95% of breweries who compete with the macro/import/macro craft (GI/BM/WW/etc.) will take a real hit. If you want better wages than the prevailing ones in the industry, then try another industry. There are lots of other lines of business that pay better, albeit without the cachet of working for a craft brewery.

 

You may find it to be irrelevant but...

Folks were discussing that wealthy people were advocating for higher taxes. I responded to that discussion.

Cheers!

 

Feel free to pass on the craft beer, then. No one is forcing you to buy a class of products made by people who you feel are underpaid.