Why can't I add 0.0% ?

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  1. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Good catch.

    Since the category of non-alcoholic is defined on this site as being 1.0% ABV or less, those beers you are describing don't fit the category and need to be reported and moved. Clearly the BAs who entered them made a mistake.

    @dbrauneis @Todd
     
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  2. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    @Todd, could an edit be added to prevent any new NA beers from being entered if they have over 1% ABV?
     
  3. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    Agreed - some can be moved easily while it may be tough to determine the style of others without some kind of description. Feel free to submit updates for ones that are clearly mis-categorized and suggest proper styles for them.

    My guess is that many of these are "Table Beers" from different breweries which could fall into a number of different styles.
     
  4. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    I'm guessing that many will be entered without an ABV and then have the ABV updated at some point in the future - need to make sure that case is handled as well... Not sure what the max should be for the style since I'm guessing what allows it to be classified as such differs across national borders based on law.
     
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  5. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    Determining style may be the biggest problem for some. I noticed in a casual browse that there are a few Radlers. IIRC they don't have a style listing on here.
     
  6. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    I would put them in the Fruit and Field beer category personally.
     
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  7. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    In the US, for a beer to be legally labeled "Non-alcoholic" it must have less than 0.5% alcohol by volume. I realized that this is an international website, but I'd find it pretty difficult to believe that any of the industrialized countries' maximum alcohol content limit for a "NA" would be much higher. If anything, the current generation of such beers (like Heineken's) contain no alcohol - what in the US would be labeled "Alcohol Free".
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  8. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    In the UK a NA beer must be 0.05% ABV or less. Most of Europe says 0.5%
     
  9. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    According to the UK industry site, Drinkaware:
    They further note that in the UK they don't have a legal term of "Non-alcoholic":
    (Their "De-acoholised beer" equals the US's "Non-alcoholic").

    Thus making the use of the abbreviation "NA" in these dicussions kinda confusing, since it might mean "Non-Alcoholic" (US) or "No Alcohol" (UK).

    But, either way, they're both well below your suggested limit of nothing over 1%.
     
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  10. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    I didn't think his original comment was suggesting an upper limit of 1.0% but rather that the existing upper limit for the style as defined on this site be enforced by not allowing the entry of a beer with more than 1.0%.
     
  11. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Yeah, I get that but a beer with a 0.9% ABV would still not be legally NA or NA or AF or DA in either the US or the UK, so if this website is going to update their catagories, why not have it conform to most of the English-speaking world's legal definitions (wait, where's Canada weigh in?)
     
  12. drtth

    drtth Initiate (0) Nov 25, 2007 Pennsylvania
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    I agree and think it would be excellent if you could convince the site Admin about getting that changed.
     
  13. beer_beer

    beer_beer Pooh-Bah (2,306) Feb 13, 2018 Finland
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    I'd say 0.5% would be the proper cutoff. That definition is all over the place.
     
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  15. Harrison8

    Harrison8 Grand High Pooh-Bah (6,285) Dec 6, 2015 Missouri
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    Have you reported these as being in the wrong category?

    Sounds to me like these entries were put into the wrong category.
     
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  16. dbrauneis

    dbrauneis Grand High Pooh-Bah (8,071) Dec 8, 2007 North Carolina
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    But since the style is "Low Alcohol Beer" should the max of the range be 1.2% to comply with that UK definition?
     
  17. beer_beer

    beer_beer Pooh-Bah (2,306) Feb 13, 2018 Finland
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    In the end it may be about if you can get drunk at all. I figure 1.2% makes that possible, even if it needs hard work with possible water poisoning. But it would probably need too large changes in the Low Alcohol department to make it 0.5. And 1.2 maybe fits in better there at the moment than in the other styles. So: from 0.1-1.0 to 0.0-1.2?
     
  18. bbtkd

    bbtkd Grand High Pooh-Bah (7,790) Sep 20, 2015 South Dakota
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    Bet I could get drunk on LA beer less than 1.2% ABV without water poisoning, though it would not be a pleasant experience. There are much easier ways to get drunk. An ABV limit for the existing LA style of 1.2 makes sense though. Hopefully we don't end up with two styles; NA and LA.
     
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  19. jesskidden

    jesskidden Grand Pooh-Bah (3,145) Aug 10, 2005 New Jersey
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    Of course, US TTB regulations puts "Low Alcohol (LA)" at less than 2.5% ABV (chart in post #28 above).

    I imagine most of the now-defunct LA's from breweries like AB (which had a brand simply called LA) and Heileman (seems they had "LA" line extentsions of half a dozen or so of their major brands) and several other US breweries in the late '80s had alcoholic level well over 1.2% (they predated listing ABV on US beer labels).

    OTOH, not likely many of them are in line for revival, tho' :grin:
     
  20. beer_beer

    beer_beer Pooh-Bah (2,306) Feb 13, 2018 Finland
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    In my country they even have 2.8% as the limit. Need to be careful what I pick from the shelf :sunglasses:. But 2.8 is just ridiculous, an old-fashioned limit. Just have two and get equally drunk.

    But the absolute majority on the shelf are of course 0.0-0.5% beers. Law is one thing, practice another, the latter often more progressive.

    Checked it up, even if 2.8% isn't an alcoholic beverage here according to the law, you can sell only below 1.2% to minors. So here we see that number again.
     
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